How to proceed form here as white?

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After I get to this point in my game oftem I seem to lose confidence. As a beginner I appreciate  if you can give me some advice. 

I am white:

https://www.chess.com/game/live/60552039421

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Ignoring short-term threats like hanging material, you could also complete piece development with opening principles: https://www.chess.com/blog/KeSetoKaiba/opening-principles-again 

In your position, moves like Bg2 or Nbd2 or O-O are moves White would still want to continue with. Even once you finally complete piece development, then you can always improve your worst piece by relocating it to a better square and this doesn't even account for plans, attacking opponent pieces, creating tactical threats and many other ideas. 

This early in the game though, you are probably better off trying to get fully developed and get your King to safety though. This is a good way to continue happy.png

 

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There are videos on YouTube that specifically deal with this subject. You get past the half dozen or so opening moves and "now what"? If you watch a couple of these videos, you will get some good, albeit general, ideas. As is usually the case, there are never any easy answers. 

 

Videos I like are Gotham Chess, Igor Smirnoff, and Chess Vibes (Nelson Lopez). These are guys I think that relate well to beginners and their videos move along at a nice pace.

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Hi
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At lower levels practice getting aggressive yourself (and learn to control it)

A knight trade wouldn’t be the worst thing here, allowing you to develop your queen now on the left flank thus putting pressure on both his bishop let alone king.

At that point I’m sure your opponent will be feeling the early pressure more than you.

Keep playing out the same scenarios over and over and see how things develop each time you go.

Just be mindful as you play each step and ensure you’re not leaving any free pieces.

Good luck on your development.

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What a horrible position for white but I suppose the best move might be to take black's bishop. Or Bd3. Or Nbd2. 

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I think I'd play Nbd2 if I was lumbered with that position. If black swaps bishops obviously you take with the e pawn, so g3 was a bad move.

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what is g3 lol i dont think thats the move

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1c0nIc wrote:

what is g3 lol i dont think thats the move

g3 is where white moved a pawn. It doesn't look like where it should be. It pretty much forces white to trade the dark-squared bishops and it does nothing but add light-squared holes around the king.

By getting to this position (supposedly more than once) white shows he didn't have an idea what kind of game he wanted when he started moving pieces.

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DrSpudnik wrote:
1c0nIc wrote:

what is g3 lol i dont think thats the move

g3 is where white moved a pawn. It doesn't look like where it should be. It pretty much forces white to trade the dark-squared bishops and it does nothing but add light-squared holes around the king.

By getting to this position (supposedly more than once) white shows he didn't have an idea what kind of game he wanted when he started moving pieces.

i understand that g3 is where he moved the pawn lol, i was saying that i dont think g3 is what ur supposed to play in the london which is what it looks like this is trying to be

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1c0nIc wrote:
DrSpudnik wrote:
1c0nIc wrote:

what is g3 lol i dont think thats the move

g3 is where white moved a pawn. It doesn't look like where it should be. It pretty much forces white to trade the dark-squared bishops and it does nothing but add light-squared holes around the king.

By getting to this position (supposedly more than once) white shows he didn't have an idea what kind of game he wanted when he started moving pieces.

i understand that g3 is where he moved the pawn lol, i was saying that i dont think g3 is what ur supposed to play in the london which is what it looks like this is trying to be

OK, that's clearer, but still my point is the same: white should have backed up the B to g3 and allowed the exchange there that would open up the h-file. But why play the London at all? It's a one-size-fits-all opening that guarantees a certain middlegame but it really limits what white can do as much as black. In his d4 repertoire book, Jacob Aagaard said that by avoiding critical positions, the white player here is avoiding learning a lot about chess. It's a valid point. No one likes losing, but that's how you learn to play chess.

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Sometimes I see people pause in positions like this. I don't understand why it's hard. You should bring your pieces off the back rank and castle. You're not allowed to feel confused about what to do at least until development is complete tongue.png

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But ok, maybe you mean 5-10 moves from that positoin you feel confused.

The nice thing about 1.e4 e5 or 1.d4 d5 openings is that it's often good to advance a pawn to attack your opponent's center pawn. This means as white in that position you're going to eventually play e4 or c4. Either your opponent will capture or you will... either way you'll open the e file or c file, and that will help your pieces become more active.

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llama36 wrote:

Sometimes I see people pause in positions like this. I don't understand why it's hard. You should bring your pieces off the back rank and castle.

The OP is a beginner who obviously haven't heard of opening principles.

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99% of general instructive chess advises will be practically inapplicable playing at such fast time control at your level.

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DrSpudnik wrote:
1c0nIc wrote:
DrSpudnik wrote:
1c0nIc wrote:

what is g3 lol i dont think thats the move

g3 is where white moved a pawn. It doesn't look like where it should be. It pretty much forces white to trade the dark-squared bishops and it does nothing but add light-squared holes around the king.

By getting to this position (supposedly more than once) white shows he didn't have an idea what kind of game he wanted when he started moving pieces.

i understand that g3 is where he moved the pawn lol, i was saying that i dont think g3 is what ur supposed to play in the london which is what it looks like this is trying to be

OK, that's clearer, but still my point is the same: white should have backed up the B to g3 and allowed the exchange there that would open up the h-file. But why play the London at all? It's a one-size-fits-all opening that guarantees a certain middlegame but it really limits what white can do as much as black. In his d4 repertoire book, Jacob Aagaard said that by avoiding critical positions, the white player here is avoiding learning a lot about chess. It's a valid point. No one likes losing, but that's how you learn to play chess.

dude i hate the london so much i play the englund gambit lol u dont have to convince me. e4 ftw

(altho its not like the london is bad, just boring in my opinion. also, i was pretty sure Bg3 was the move but i was sure if it was different with white; i knew that was what u were supposed to do as black.)

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"the white player here is avoiding learning a lot about chess"


Just because you don't learn fancy openings does not mean you don't learn about chess. In fact as a beginner its smart to focus on more fundamental aspects of chess instead and a system opening is perfect for that. These anti-london "advises" likely comes from a selfish place rather than trying to help a beginner.

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Thank you all who has took the effort to give me some thoughtful advice, I really appreciate it. Again, big thanks! happy.png

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FieroPez wrote:

After I get to this point in my games I lose all my confidence and I have no idea how to go on. I am a beginner, I appreciate your patience if you take some time to give me some advice. This is an opening which helps me not to loose a game almost immediately against aggressive players.

I am white:

 

https://www.chess.com/game/live/60552039421

Instead of playing g3 in this position, play Bg3 so that if Black trades the bishop, you have hxg3 to open the file for your rook. After that or if Black doesn't take, play Nbd2, Bd3, Qc2, Nb3, and 0-0-0 to defend your king and line up a battery against h7. That should be your main priority, but Ne4 is a really good move to prevent Black from moving the e pawn and to control the center of the board. After Ne4 and hxg3, push your f and g pawns, focus on dislodging the knight on f6 and then attack the h file with your pawns, rook, knight, bishop, and queen. I hope this helps! Good luck in your London!

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There are a few good moves available to you, unfortunately g3 is not one of them.

I would look to continue developing, I would look at Bd3 or Nbd2.

I would also look at Bxd6, since you have a lot of pawns on dark squares, trading a potentially 'bad' bishop for your opponents' potentially 'good' bishop is a good idea. 

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xged wrote:

99% of general instructive chess advises will be practically inapplicable playing at such fast time control at your level.

Whatu xged is saying here is that most of the advice anybody can give you will be stuff that requires too much thought for you to actually do it in a Blitz game. You really need more time, especially when you're just starting out. Here in this game you lost on time after 29 moves in a pretty decent position. If nothing else, at least try playing with increment like 5 minutes / 10 seconds.

That said, you're opening looks just fine. If you're going to play G3 then you really need to play Bishop to G2 and then Castle behind those pieces so they protect your king. But stuff like that is the least of your worries right now.

If I was to offer one piece of advice and nothing else, I would say every time your opponent makes a move, look at what that move attacks, and also look at what WAS that peace defending before it moved. If you can very quickly answer those two questions, and do nothing else but pick up the free stuff people leave for you, you will be an 800 player in a matter of weeks. Defend your pieces and take their free stuff. If nothing else, it will keep your games longer and give you more experience in more later game positions.