When to resign - Etiquette - An honest appeal

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Anonymous_Dragon
gypsygil wrote:

those of us that have played for more then 40 years may have been trying to xreate own openings and games to play against different stratagies always thinking out side the box not just book learned stategies .

There are no more new openings to be found out

PleasantEscalator
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:
antonista wrote:
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:
antonista wrote:
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:

How can someone study chess for 48years and still be below 2000 ? I started 6 months ago and am at 1500

no need to be a dick about it.

You need not be one instead. Things were sorted out earlier .

Just calling out some bad behavior. If that makes me a d*ick then sure. I'm glad you worked it out and feel better about mocking someones ability. There are a lot of people here who love chess but will never get above 1000; no need to make them feel bad.

I wasn't making anyone feel bad. And there was no reason for you to bring it up when the other guy had responded politely and things were calm. 

How do you know if he took it politely, he’s probably annoyed, but your a kid, I think, so he wasn’t going to start lecturing you about stuff.

JeffGreen333
antonista wrote:
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:
antonista wrote:
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:

How can someone study chess for 48years and still be below 2000 ? I started 6 months ago and am at 1500

no need to be a dick about it.

You need not be one instead. Things were sorted out earlier .

Just calling out some bad behavior. If that makes me a d*ick then sure. I'm glad you worked it out and feel better about mocking someones ability. There are a lot of people here who love chess but will never get above 1000; no need to make them feel bad.

I don't feel bad.   Like I said, I had other interests in life, so I didn't devote every moment to chess.   I'm ok with only being an 1800 player and not spending another 10-15 years studying endgames, just so that I can have bragging rights and a 2 in front of my rating.   Obviously, he has no idea how hard it is to go from 1500 to 2000.   He'll find out the hard way though or give up trying at some point.

Anonymous_Dragon
PeasantElevator wrote:
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:
antonista wrote:
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:
antonista wrote:
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:

How can someone study chess for 48years and still be below 2000 ? I started 6 months ago and am at 1500

no need to be a dick about it.

You need not be one instead. Things were sorted out earlier .

Just calling out some bad behavior. If that makes me a d*ick then sure. I'm glad you worked it out and feel better about mocking someones ability. There are a lot of people here who love chess but will never get above 1000; no need to make them feel bad.

I wasn't making anyone feel bad. And there was no reason for you to bring it up when the other guy had responded politely and things were calm. 

How do you know if he took it politely, he’s probably annoyed, but your a kid, I think, so he wasn’t going to start lecturing you about stuff.

You need not be concerned how he felt . He handled it politely . What someone displays is important. And I don't think so you have any business in this .

PleasantEscalator

Ok then

Anonymous_Dragon
JeffGreen333 wrote:
antonista wrote:
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:
antonista wrote:
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:

How can someone study chess for 48years and still be below 2000 ? I started 6 months ago and am at 1500

no need to be a dick about it.

You need not be one instead. Things were sorted out earlier .

Just calling out some bad behavior. If that makes me a d*ick then sure. I'm glad you worked it out and feel better about mocking someones ability. There are a lot of people here who love chess but will never get above 1000; no need to make them feel bad.

I don't feel bad.   Like I said, I had other interests in life, so I didn't devote every moment to chess.   I'm ok with only being an 1800 player and not spending another 10-15 years studying endgames, just so that I can have bragging rights and a 2 in front of my rating.   Obviously, he has no idea how hard it is to go from 1500 to 2000.   He'll find out the hard way though or give up trying at some point.

I won't give up for sure....but I don't think so am going to find out the hard way either....thinks don't look good for me

JeffGreen333
PeasantElevator wrote:

the same thing to me, I was 800 last year I gained 1k points in a year...

Online blitz and bullet ratings are not an accurate reflection of your true playing strength though.   You can't really claim to be an 1800 player if you don't have an 1800 FIDE or USCF rating.   It takes a LOT longer to get those official ratings, because you have to play in classical tournaments.   Tournaments costs money and are much more time-consuming.   You might only be able to play 10-100 classical tournament games a year, compared to thousands of online bullet games.   So, it can take an entire year to move your rating 100 points.   That's why the ratings on here are so inflated.   It takes almost no time at all for your rating to catch up to your playing strength on here.   It can take years in OTB tournament play though.  

PleasantEscalator

I was 1095 OTB and I still am now...

PleasantEscalator

Haven’t played OTB since march

JeffGreen333
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:
PeasantElevator wrote:

u dont need to be rude about it @Anonymous_Dragon, ur just trying to brag that u got to 1500 in six months, which is pretty good tbh

I wasn't being rude. And even if I was... the person at whom the message was intended at didn't take it that way ...or even if he did things got sorted out politely

I have a thick skin now.  My Mom just died from Covid, 3 or 4 weeks ago, so being made fun of for only being an 1800 player at 57 years old doesn't really phase me any more.   It stung for a second, until I realized that I decided long ago to have a more rounded life, rather than dedicating every waking minute to chess.   What does a 2000 rating get you anyway?   That and $4.50 will get you a cafe' latte'.   You need to have a 2650 or higher rating to make it as a professional chess player these days.   I gave up on that decades ago.

Anonymous_Dragon
JeffGreen333 wrote:
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:
PeasantElevator wrote:

u dont need to be rude about it @Anonymous_Dragon, ur just trying to brag that u got to 1500 in six months, which is pretty good tbh

I wasn't being rude. And even if I was... the person at whom the message was intended at didn't take it that way ...or even if he did things got sorted out politely

I have a thick skin now.  My Mom just died from Covid, 3 or 4 weeks ago, so being made fun of for only being an 1800 player at 57 years old doesn't really phase me any more.   It stung for a second, until I realized that I decided long ago to have a more rounded life, rather than dedicating every waking minute to chess.   What does a 2000 rating get you anyway?   That and $4.50 will get you a cafe' latte'.   You need to have a 2650 or higher rating to make it as a professional chess player these days.   I gave up on that decades ago.

Am really sorry about it . Didn't really mean to make fun in any sense . And it wouldn't make any sense as well of making fun of someone for being 2000 ...cause I myself haven't even reached there. Please accept my apologies 🙏 . I won't repeat that again. 

Anonymous_Dragon

And am really sorry sorry about your mom . Peace .

JeffGreen333
PeasantElevator wrote:

Haven’t played OTB since march

Yeah, this pandemic is slowing down OTB ratings even more than usual.   

JeffGreen333
Optimissed wrote:
JeffGreen333 wrote:
PeasantElevator wrote:

the same thing to me, I was 800 last year I gained 1k points in a year...

Online blitz and bullet ratings are not an accurate reflection of your true playing strength though.   You can't really claim to be an 1800 player if you don't have an 1800 FIDE or USCF rating.   It takes a LOT longer to get those official ratings, because you have to play in classical tournaments.   Tournaments costs money and are much more time-consuming.   You might only be able to play 10-100 classical tournament games a year, compared to thousands of online bullet games.   So, it can take an entire year to move your rating 100 points.   That's why the ratings on here are so inflated.   It takes almost no time at all for your rating to catch up to your playing strength on here.   It can take years in OTB tournament play though.  

It shouldn't, if you're any good. If you're a beginner, at the right age, It should be possible to gain 300 to 400 FIDE in a year OTB. In blitz here, a good player could start at 800 and get up to 1900 in an afternoon's play.

Well, that's because chess.com uses a Glicko system.  USCF uses (or did use when I used to play tournaments) a provisional ratings system (only the first 20 games are weighted heavily).   So, after you play 20 USCF-rated tournament games, your rating moves much more slowly.   On here, it gradually slows down, little by little.   Btw, just because you can go from 800 to 1900 in one day doesn't mean that you can go from 1900 to 3000 the next day.   lol   And again, bullet and blitz online ratings don't count for squat.

JeffGreen333
Epiloque wrote:
JeffGreen333 wrote:
PeasantElevator wrote:

Haven’t played OTB since march

Yeah, this pandemic is slowing down OTB ratings even more than usual.   

lol I am uscf 950. If I wanted to I could go to under 1k tourneys, but that would be sandbagging

What's wrong with saving your rating, to give yourself a better chance of winning?   Lots of players do that.   I've even thought of doing it myself.   My official USCF rating is something like 1470, but I feel like I'm playing at an 1800 level now.   I'm sure I could win 2 or 3 class tournaments (under 1500 and under 1600) until my rating caught up to my strength.   Especially now that I'm eligible for senior consolation prizes, it might be worthwhile.   Assuming I can still memorize my opening repertoire at my age.  lol   

It's only considered "sandbagging" if you lose games on purpose, in order to lower your rating.   For example, if you entered several chess clubs quads, with low entry fees and low payouts, and you lost on purpose in order to lower your rating.  Then if you entered the World Open in a lower class than your were before, to win the big money .... that would be sandbagging.   I think they have ways to prevent that now though.  Like ratings floors.   For example, once you break 1200, you might not be able to drop below 1000 ever again.

JeffGreen333
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:

And am really sorry sorry about your mom . Peace .

Thanks, guys. 

JeffGreen333
Optimissed wrote:

Very, very sorry about your mum, Jeff. I'm sure I speak for everyone.

Thanks.

JeffGreen333
Optimissed wrote:

Quite right. I won loads of Intermediate tournaments (with quite big prizes) when I was improving because an improving player's grade is always in advance of the rating. Intermediate was usually under 140 BCF, which is like 1720 FIDE and I was playing at more like 1900, a lot of the time. Why not win some tournaments, so long as you don't artificially depress your own grade or rating?

Right.  As long as you don't lose games on purpose, to artificially lower your rating, it's not cheating.   I once played an 8 year old kid, whose father was a Master and trained him daily.   This kid had a rating of 1396, but he played like a 2000 player.   He whooped my @$$ in the final round of the tournament, on board 1.   I would have won that tournament, if it wasn't for him.   But am I bitter?   You betcha.  lol   Would I feel guilty about doing the same thing to someone else.   Heck no.   lol   Btw, he went on to become an IM.   

JeffGreen333
Epiloque wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
JeffGreen333 wrote:
Epiloque wrote:
JeffGreen333 wrote:
PeasantElevator wrote:

Haven’t played OTB since march

Yeah, this pandemic is slowing down OTB ratings even more than usual.   

lol I am uscf 950. If I wanted to I could go to under 1k tourneys, but that would be sandbagging

Technically it is, but what's wrong with saving your rating, to give yourself a better chance of winning?   Lots of players do that.   I've even thought of doing it myself.   My official USCF rating is something like 1470, but I feel like I'm playing at an 1800 level now.   I'm sure I could win 2 or 3 class tournaments (under 1500 and under 1600) until my rating caught up to my strength.   Especially now that I'm eligible for senior consolation prizes, it might be worthwhile.   Assuming I can still memorize my opening repertoire at my age.  lol

Quite right. I won loads of Intermediate tournaments (with quite big prizes) when I was improving because an improving player's grade is always in advance of the rating. Intermediate was usually under 140 BCF, which is like 1720 FIDE and I was playing at more like 1900, a lot of the time. Why not win some tournaments, so long as you don't artificially depress your own grade or rating?

bc I would be playing against 5-10 year olds. Showing up and crushing their dreams would make me feel like a jerk, and besides I can just go to a regular tourney and win 1/3 games to get more rating then I would winning the entire under 1k tourney. That would be like Magnus showing up to a under 2k tourney bc he does not have a uscf rating and saying "huh, ez money"

I beat a few kids, back in the day, but none of them cried or looked crushed.   They're used to losing once in a while.   I've also been beaten by a couple of kids.   I think I was more crushed by my losses than they were.   lol

Checknologist
MarkGrubb wrote:

Your opponent is entitled to play to the end. There is no etiquette that requires resignation. The reason for resigination is so the 'losing' player can choose not to play out the position, not to help the 'winning' player to victory. I understand that this may be frustrating for some.

100% agreed.