I think it works if planned and coordinate but not if haphazard. I believe she comes out early in the Scandanivian, and in the Italian game, bringing the queen to f3 can help put pressure on f7 but this is more like a 6th move not 3rd. Like everything, have a plan and calculate your opponents best replies. If you dont see any tempo losing moves and it improves your position then it's ok.
Why do many beginners bring the queen out on the second or third move?
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Jul 9, 2020
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Have a plan... I think that’s exactly the reason why absolute beginners do it. You learn scholars mate in your second week, and there it is, your first plan.
Then you play at your level and sometimes your plan works, sometimes not. But you are not really punished for it. And if you are you don’t understand it.
It then takes a while, a lot of games, and some study maybe, to understand that developing minor pieces is important. A new step.
Nothing wrong here I think. Just people having fun and learning the game.
Then you play at your level and sometimes your plan works, sometimes not. But you are not really punished for it. And if you are you don’t understand it.
It then takes a while, a lot of games, and some study maybe, to understand that developing minor pieces is important. A new step.
Nothing wrong here I think. Just people having fun and learning the game.
Jul 19, 2020
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#4
Most beginners know it’s a powerful piece - so I think they think by having a big gun out in the board early on is an advantage for them. These people still lack opening principles, developing pieces, etc.
Saying that, I beat a 1690 blitz player yesterday who brought his queen out on move 3 to scholars mate me, when I simple moved pawn e6, he immediately retreated his queen back to d1 and was simple one tempo down for no reason.
Saying that, I beat a 1690 blitz player yesterday who brought his queen out on move 3 to scholars mate me, when I simple moved pawn e6, he immediately retreated his queen back to d1 and was simple one tempo down for no reason.
Jul 19, 2020
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AtaChess68 wrote:
Have a plan... I think that’s exactly the reason why absolute beginners do it. You learn scholars mate in your second week, and there it is, your first plan.
Then you play at your level and sometimes your plan works, sometimes not. But you are not really punished for it. And if you are you don’t understand it.
It then takes a while, a lot of games, and some study maybe, to understand that developing minor pieces is important. A new step.
Nothing wrong here I think. Just people having fun and learning the game.
Then you play at your level and sometimes your plan works, sometimes not. But you are not really punished for it. And if you are you don’t understand it.
It then takes a while, a lot of games, and some study maybe, to understand that developing minor pieces is important. A new step.
Nothing wrong here I think. Just people having fun and learning the game.
People want mate, FAST.
Jul 19, 2020
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francis20110 wrote:
I'm a beginner too but never do this.
Occasionally it will gain material for them but the vast majority of the time I just end up chasing their queen around the board while developing pieces.
What is the logic of bringing the queen out on the second or third move?
It's not really logic, it's results. Bad players keep playing badly because sometimes it wins games for them, so they don't have enough incentive to change.
More or less the same things happens for all of us.
Because they do 4 move checkmate
Jul 19, 2020
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#10
Definitely not, if you play like most people. But it is a very easy way to put immediate pressure on Black, and if your opponent plays wrong, you gain a free pawn and rook.
Jul 19, 2020
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#12
I think they go on the basis that the queen is a powerful piece, without fully understanding the why is will fail. I don't bring my queen out early I hang pieces.
Jul 19, 2020
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MarcoDiazz wrote:
They're beginners? The queen is the most powerful piece?
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PLUS
4 Move Checkmate: Sneaky Variation
It seems like they just don't realize that it will be pushed back. I never tried the Wayward Queen Attack (1. e4 e5 2. Qh5) for that reason.
Jul 19, 2020
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diftt0116 wrote:
It seems like they just don't realize that it will be pushed back. I never tried the Wayward Queen Attack (1. e4 e5 2. Qh5) for that reason.
This is what you mean?
frankskylove wrote:
diftt0116 wrote:
diftt0116 wrote:
It seems like they just don't realize that it will be pushed back. I never tried the Wayward Queen Attack (1. e4 e5 2. Qh5) for that reason.
This is what you mean?
Yes.
Jul 19, 2020
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#18
diftt0116 wrote:
frankskylove wrote:
diftt0116 wrote:
diftt0116 wrote:
It seems like they just don't realize that it will be pushed back. I never tried the Wayward Queen Attack (1. e4 e5 2. Qh5) for that reason.
This is what you mean?
Yes.
Objectively that position isn't so bad. Black's on the better side of equal, so it's a bit like playing black instead of white (you're a little behind).
The reason is that against inexperienced people, the queen is very powerful. Since moving her out early works so well against such people, it is a difficult habit to break.
I'm a beginner too but never do this.
Occasionally it will gain material for them but the vast majority of the time I just end up chasing their queen around the board while developing pieces.
What is the logic of bringing the queen out on the second or third move?