4 Wins : Here is How Morphy, Dr Tarrasch, Nimzovich and Dr Lasker Would Have Done It

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rolsrojs

Logic says that it must be Rd1

It's a kind of side line Rd3 move. It is not so important is the rook on the first or on the third rank.

rolsrojs

Yes, you're right @RoaringPawn. What I said for Re1 and Ra6 Rd6 is wrong. Missed that it has a problem with Rc6! And also "side line" Re5... 

Blunderseeker

very instructive. Thanks for sharing

RoaringPawn
Blunderseeker wrote:

very instructive. Thanks for sharing

Bitte schoen Blunderseeker, glad you liked it. Stay with us all while we're untangling it

PS

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Jürg Hassler (1938, Zurich) is a Swiss #photographer, #sculptor, screenwriter, film director, cameraman and film editor

Mattomatt: Chess Pieces, 2007

oak, iron, bones, hemp cord, H: 40 cm; 270 x 300 cm
Museum Tinguely, Basel

RoaringPawn

"Aargh, Vukovic is just giving me a big headache," she says asking for a (stress-relieving of kind) break

@blunderseeker this is a Swiss model

RoaringPawn
RoaringPawn wrote:
bumiputra wrote:
SOSOonagain ha scritto:

You shouldn't move the rook on e6 bumiputra. It's your best placed piece. It prevents black from freeing himself with Ra6.

You're right. He has a check from a6...

So maybe Rd3.

RoaringPawn wrote:

Like I said before there are three lines from the starting position, one has a side line.

So

1. Rd8+

2. c6

3. ??     Has any one mentioned the third option before? 

 

Yes, Bumiptra spotted shyly, yet it hasn't caught anybody's attention.

Again, we got

1. Rd8+

2. Rd3

3. c6

and one of these has a sideline

 

Let's recap what we've got so far

A) 1. Rd8+Rg8 2. ???                     Morphy way

B)1. Rd3 Ra6 3.Rxa6 bxa6 4.???     Tarrasch way

C1) 1.c6 bxc6 2.Re8+ Rg8 3.???     Nimzo way

C2) 1.c6 bxc6 2.Re3                       Lasker way

Flickas

Isn’t the solution I included in my post 

1 Rd8 Rg8

2 Kf7 Rd8 

3 Rh6 mate 

correct? I know I ain’t the greatest player but even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once and a while.

rolsrojs

Yes, Lasker's way is very nice.

I found the Nimzo line of the c6 move and the 3rd move can be Re1 or Re3 in this sequence.

But Lasker directly goes for Re3 after c6, bxc6 so it is faster.

RoaringPawn
rolsrojs wrote:

Yes, Lasker's way is very nice.

I found the Nimtzo line of the c6 move and the 4th move can be Re1 or Re3 in this sequence.

But Lasker directly goes for Re3 after c6, bxc6 so it is faster.

Exactly. Vukovic writings were filled with fun and humor (possibly a good idea for a blog post) and here he sort of caricatured Nimzovich's "Rooks on the seventh obsession" so Nimzo line, what he "would have played" is like this,

1.c6 bc 2.Re8+ Rg8 and now "Nimzovich would have enjoyed to play" 3.Ree7 (the seventh!!) Tf8+ 4.Kg6 Rg8+ 5.Kh6 winning 

rolsrojs

@RoaringPawn this ending was really instructive. At first sight  it seems to be only one , then two and finaly three solutions. In the end even four lines are possible. Really incredible! Thanks a lot for it!

rolsrojs

Might be I missed something but it looks that 3.Ree7 doesn't work if black  scroll his rook down  the g-file. Doubling rooks on 7th rank failed. If check with Re8+ or Rd8+ then again Rg8. 

So I think after 1.c6 bxc6 2.Re8+ Rg8 3.Re1 or 3.Re3 are the only two equaly good lines

Hm...in this line with Rg8 even 3.Re2 is ok

So 3 Nimzo lines but without 7th rank line by me...or please, explain  it if I missed something.

rolsrojs

Ok don't bother my friend I see, after 3.Ree7 Rg1 goes 4.Rh7+ Kg8 5.Rh2 and it should be mate on the last rank... Yeah, in this ending you can find a bunch of mates...

SOSOonagain
Flickas skrev:

Isn’t the solution I included in my post 

1 Rd8 Rg

2 Kf7 Rd8 

3 Rh6 mate 

correct? I know I ain’t the greatest player but even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once and a while.

It's correct, no worries! And it is the shortest win (mate actually). But the other lines wins too. And Vukovic interpretted them into master style choices which is the fun part.

RoaringPawn

@flickas @Binibini_francine001

Yes, that.s Morphy's way, leading to the quickest win.

But, as @SOSOonaagin nicely put it, there's also fun part

RoaringPawn
rolsrojs wrote:

Might be I missed something but it looks that 3.Ree7 doesn't work if black  scroll his rook down  the g-file. Doubling rooks on 7th rank failed. If check with Re8+ or Rd8+ then again Rg8. 

So I think after 1.c6 bxc6 2.Re8+ Rg8 3.Re1 or 3.Re3 are the only two equaly good lines

Hm...in this line with Rg8 even 3.Re2 is ok

So 3 Nimzo lines but without 7th rank line by me...or please, explain  it if I missed something.

Rocko, you're absolutely right!

Vukovic gives that, after 1.c6 bc 2.Re8+ Rg8 3.Ree7

3...Rg3 wouldn't work by exploiting the Nimzo 7th rank idea.

.

Instead, he gives something else, erm, what exactly?

RoaringPawn
SOSOonagain wrote:
Flickas skrev:

Isn’t the solution I included in my post 

1 Rd8 Rg

2 Kf7 Rd8 

3 Rh6 mate 

correct? I know I ain’t the greatest player but even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once and a while.

It's correct, no worries! And it is the shortest win (mate actually). But the other lines wins too. And Vukovic interpretted them into master style choices which is the fun part.

You're good, man!

RoaringPawn
Flickas wrote:

Isn’t the solution I included in my post 

1 Rd8 Rg8

2 Kf7 Rd8 

3 Rh6 mate 

correct? I know I ain’t the greatest player but even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once and a while.

We all are just players, not the greatest. And why should we? We're enjoying the game anyway!

SOSOonagain
RoaringPawn skrev:
SOSOonagain wrote:
Flickas skrev:

Isn’t the solution I included in my post 

1 Rd8 Rg

2 Kf7 Rd8 

3 Rh6 mate 

correct? I know I ain’t the greatest player but even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once and a while.

It's correct, no worries! And it is the shortest win (mate actually). But the other lines wins too. And Vukovic interpretted them into master style choices which is the fun part.

You're good, man!

 

I am actually having some trouble figuring out exactly why Tarrash's line wins. So not that good! But maybe you didn't mean at chess? *grins* (I am not. Merely somewhat competent)

RoaringPawn

SOSOonagain wrote:
RoaringPawn skrev:
SOSOonagain wrote:
Flickas skrev:

Isn’t the solution I included in my post 

1 Rd8 Rg

2 Kf7 Rd8 

3 Rh6 mate 

correct? I know I ain’t the greatest player but even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once and a while.

It's correct, no worries! And it is the shortest win (mate actually). But the other lines wins too. And Vukovic interpretted them into master style choices which is the fun part.

You're good, man!

 

I am actually having some trouble figuring out exactly why Tarrash's line wins. So not that good! But maybe you didn't meed at chess? *grins*

That’s okay. Who might’ve known the idea?

Tarrasch had lots of those “methods.” In this case it is to force an endgame with  a “Rook Behind a free pawn,’ to sort of glorify his idea!

 

 

SOSOonagain

Yeah, I got that much. But I though black could run his f-pawn and be in time. But after I realized that black can't play Rg8 until either white or black moves their king (Rh3+ mate .. didn't see that at first.) white has plenty time.