Hardest Mate

That´s a draw, except for under special conditions.

 but its whites move mate in one

 its not a draw at least i think -

 It is a draw UNLESS your opponent is stupid enough to back himself into the corner. One CANNOT FORCE mate with only 2 knights and a king against a lone king.

 I believe one of the knights has to be blocking a pawn that hasn't crossed the "Troitzky line", or whatever it's called?  So yeah, pretty much a draw.

 but were just talking about mates here not if the openent is stupid enough to notice it :P

the mate with K+R vs K is one of the easiest. K+B+N vs K is much harder

 but its not ! :P lol its mate

Yeah, that's what it is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_knights_endgame#Troitzky_line

nice Niven42!

 Well then, this automatically wins because it's pretty hard to force a mate when it is a draw with perfect play.

(And if we're assuming the opponent is stupid enough to help mate himself, all these mates will be easy because he's likely to step into a mate in one)

kbnk and kbbk aren't that difficult once you learn the pattern.

Some endgames involving the Queen are extremely tricky. (Unlike the trivial kqk.)

yes but the only reason i posted the 2 knights plus king mate is because of a unsusspecting king and because its a hard checkmate !

 And I'm saying that it's impossible to define the difficulty of a mate that's impossible unless your opponent is helping you acheive it.

what about 1 knight plus 2 bishop mate -

but honestly i still think the 2 bishops mate is the hardest

I always thought that the King + Bishop + Knight v. King was pretty hard:

   (black to move, not white.)

are theyre any harder mates than 2 bishops?

try this thread:

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/fun-with-chess/hardest-mate?page=1

yes goldendog but is that the hardest??