Illegal Position Contest!

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n9531l1
lteg12 wrote:
Mikey383 wrote:

I think this position is illegal if it's white to move. 

thats just stalemate

Certainly not a stalemate. Both sides have a legal move available.

n9531l1

Here's a repeat of my #4729 position from five days ago. I'm surprised nobody has posted a valid explanation of why it's illegal. It's not too difficult.

 

Ilampozhil25

black has 13 pieces on board.

white requires 3 captures for the doubled pawns

the pawn a6

HockeyFox7
n9531l1 wrote:

I hope this position will be a little more challenging. It was submitted as a helpmate in 10 problem (Evgen S. Orlov, 5516 The Ural's Problemist 60 2009). Why is it illegal?

 

It is illegal because Black's g-pawn couldn't get over the the right!!!!

Ilampozhil25

pawn h6

requires captures to get there

not available

Ilampozhil25

white pawn on h6

 

Ilampozhil25

its there

Ilampozhil25

and making it illegal

Sameer_chess-player

this is a legal position

 

HockeyFox7
HockeyFox7 wrote:
n9531l1 wrote:

I hope this position will be a little more challenging. It was submitted as a helpmate in 10 problem (Evgen S. Orlov, 5516 The Ural's Problemist 60 2009). Why is it illegal?

 

It is illegal because Black's g-pawn couldn't get over the the right!!!!

Also illegal because the coordinates are wrong, because h1 is a dark square, and a1 is a light square! (I just looked at a normal board)

Sameer_chess-player

watch:

 

Ilampozhil25

in that case, the queenside pawns

they need too many captures

Sameer_chess-player
ThebestA9player wrote:

white to move

thats legal

 

Sameer_chess-player
Ilampozhil25 wrote:

and making it illegal

um do you mean the pawn on h5 or h4?

Sameer_chess-player

and this is legal as white to move. nobody ever said black had to be able to castle.

 

n9531l1
natureexplorer wrote:

Okay, I have an idea. I know by counting the White pieces that Black captured 7 times (that includes the captures that happen in the process of trading). Let's see if the pawns can capture enough times to reach the positions they are at in the position shown. I'm counting...

Now you are on the right track.

n9531l1
Sameer_chess-player wrote:

this is a legal position

Yes, easily legal. But we want to see illegal positions that look like they could be legal.

n9531l1
Sameer_chess-player wrote:

watch:

If you'd like to see it done in 20 moves instead of 29, here it is.

 

n9531l1
Sameer_chess-player wrote:
ThebestA9player wrote:

white to move

thats legal

The other solution, in the next post after the problem was posted, used the bishop instead of the queen to lose a move. Both work equally well.

n9531l1
Sameer_chess-player wrote:

and this is legal as white to move. nobody ever said black had to be able to castle.

I'm not sure what the point of this one is. Your final position is the same as the position you had after move 1.