Is this a checkmate (or even check)? (Paradox-ish position)

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frusciante54
The C4 bishop is kind of  in a position to check mate. But Since that bishop cannot move, is it a check?
 
Or... What about this one?
 
In the first one the engine didn't see it as a checkmate. But the second one, it showed like the black has checkmated. How is it a checkmate? The bishop can't move because it's protecting the king.
 
In this one too, the engine saw this as a check mate. But the only check is Bishop on C4. And it can not move because it's protecting the king.
(In all of them, it's white's turn to move)
What do you think?

 

Derrickzhou
It is check if the white queen moves
Derrickzhou
Never mind
wanmokewan

The white king is in check and has no move to get out of it, so black wins.  It doesn't matter that technically the checking piece is pinned.

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AussieMatey

The last 2 diagrams are both checkmate. The White King has no legal moves and the White Queen can't capture the Bishop because it is pinned by the Black Rook in both positions.

eric0022
frusciante54 wrote:
 
The C4 bishop is kind of  in a position to check mate. But Since that bishop cannot move, is it a check?
 
Or... What about this one?
 
In the first one the engine didn't see it as a checkmate. But the second one, it showed like the black has checkmated. How is it a checkmate? The bishop can't move because it's protecting the king.
 
In this one too, the engine saw this as a check mate. But the only check is Bishop on C4. And it can not move because it's protecting the king.
(In all of them, it's white's turn to move)
What do you think?

 

 

I understand your query. Take the third diagram for example. Imagine it was Black's turn, and Black played Bxa2 (removing the king). Black's king would be exposed to the White queen and White could capture it, but the Black king disappeared already! After all, the objective of the game is to capture the enemy king before the enemy captures your king (simplied to simply 'checkmate' without really removing the kings from the board).

 

Of course it would be White to move in the diagram, but clearly Qxc4+ means Rxa2, so we simply mark Qxc4+ as an illegal move.

 

A simpler example is as follows.

 

 

If White plays Bc6+, yes the bishop is attacking the Black king, but in doing so the White king is also exposed to the Black rook, and with Black to move, of course Black will waste no time in capturing the White king first. Usually, we simply denote Bc6+ as an illegal move.

sleigo

second diagram in the original is an illegal position... where did the black bishop giving check move from??

eric0022

Second diagram is completely legal.