The Jeremy Silman (Harry Potter position)

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narutoichigo
In this position, Hermione takes the place of the F-Rook, Harry is on the dark-squared bishop, and Ron is on the G-Knight. Ron was in a dilemma where he had 2 conditions in order to win:
 
1) He must checkmate the white King
2) Harry and Hermione must survive
 
Moving onto the analysis, black lost the Queen but has a very strong attack on the white King (Black's light squared bishop is cutting into the King's position and even threatens a mate in 1). Ron is the real hero for making sure none of his friends get hurt while he takes the brunt of the pain. 
 
Big credits to Jeremy Silman for composing this lovely position. Too bad the movie producers never even acknowledged him, which goes to show intellect is not respected enough these days. 

 

testaaaaa

i love that scene

TitanChess666
Yes, and Ron survived (:
varelse1

Was too bad the last two moves wound up on the cutting room floor.

(In the movie, game ended after Bc5+)

missponyo10

yes

 

Goram

malikwiras

Could you possibly play on after saving the knight and bishop, black still have material advantage

1Dchess200ELO

Technically shouldn't it be gryffindor vs McGonnegall? Not Voledmort? Wasn't this McGonnegalls's puzzle?

CVBP

In the movie, Ron pushes d5 starting with the Scandinavian Defense. Did Sillman create the entire game leading to this final position, or just this position?

varelse1
CVBP wrote:

In the movie, Ron pushes d5 starting with the Scandinavian Defense. Did Sillman create the entire game leading to this final position, or just this position?

I think it was just the positions.

But funny you should mention 1….d5. The movies producers wanted the kids to play white. And the AI as black, to capture a piece on move 1. 
Well Mr Silman explained that simply wasn’t possible. The earliest he could give them a capture is move 2.
But the producers were flabbergasted. What good is hiring an IM as a technical advisor, if he doesn’t even know how to capture a piece on move one??? What were they even paying him for?

😄

(Eventually, they came around of course.)

rubikscuber44

About the assigned names: McGonagall set this up as a challenge, so I would say she's playing White. (How Voldemort made it past without having to play his way across, I don't know) And Ron's technically playing Black, as up to Rc1 he's the one calling out notation.

But related question to this scene: is there a way, with e4 d5 exd5 at the beginning, to play into this picture happening? We jumpcut straight from exd5 to this, which drops 6 interim moves minimum just by looking at the material in play. If so... how?

varelse1
rubikscuber44 wrote:

About the assigned names: McGonagall set this up as a challenge, so I would say she's playing White. (How Voldemort made it past without having to play his way across, I don't know) And Ron's technically playing Black, as up to Rc1 he's the one calling out notation.

But related question to this scene: is there a way, with e4 d5 exd5 at the beginning, to play into this picture happening? We jumpcut straight from exd5 to this, which drops 6 interim moves minimum just by looking at the material in play. If so... how?

They started from move 1 though. So McGonagul could not have predicted that many moves Ron would chose. (Including a queen sac.)

But yes they montaged through the majority of the game. Most people do not want to sit in a theater and watch a chess game play out for 20 minutes.

Maybe Silman could tell us, if he was still alive.

rubikscuber44

We know this about the game: (just watched the movie again- noticed 2 more moves)

There are effectively 4 "stages" to the game as follows: (they never specify "takes" in spoken notation)

Stage 1. e4 [Hermione: (out loud) "Do you think this will be like wizards' chess?" Ron: (thinks) "You know what? I'll go Scandinavian to see."] d5 exd5 [Ron, out loud: "Yep, this is exactly like wizards' chess."]

Stage 2: ... Re4 or ... Rxe4 (as I said, he wouldn't have said "rook takes [on] e4" even if he meant it- compare his game against Harry earlier)

Stage 3: ... c4, bxc4, or dxc4 (again, these are all here because they're all just "pawn to c4")

FEN for stage 4 of 4: 5r1k/1pN1R1PP/1Pb5/n1r1P1n1/7N/b2p4/7P/1R1Q2K1 w - - 0 1

Qxd3 Rc3! Qxc3 ["Not me, not Hermione, you."] Nh3 Qxh3 Bc5+ [jumped in-movie but implied: Qe3 Bxe3#]

I have an idea of someone who could figure this out: GothamChess!