Why is Queen more powerful than the King?

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mariceldelara

Why is it? while in reality even in palying the game.. women are almost always second in power? 

letsgohome

Happy wife, happy life brah. That is the philosophic prremise of chess which has proven true to this day. This is the most important thing you can learn from chess. Also, positivity brah is the most important thing you can learn in life.  

The time when chess was popular many kings did not go battle, but stayed where in the castle however i have an argument here, where the queen in actuality is the general for the play a similiar role. In the dark ages the general was usally the best tactican and best fighter which the queen is  in chess is. Food for thought i may be just rambling

waffllemaster

In the past I don't think it was a queen (or female) and it couldn't move nearly as far (only 2 squares in any direction I think?)

I'm not chess historian, so this is just a rough sketch lol.  When it moved to Europe the names of pieces changed and certain rules were added to help speed the game up.  Among these were pawns able to move two squares forward, en passant, castling, and increased range of the queen piece (whatever it was called at the time).

Also you could say it's for practical purposes that the king is not the most mobile piece.  Imagine trying to checkmate a piece that can hop like a knight and move like a queen.  In fact, when it comes to game play the icons aren't meant to tell a story.  The movements and rules simply create a game rich in strategy and tactics.  The rook's solid brick walls and bishop's piety are frivolous historical relics or pure imagination unrelated to the game itself.  Similarly it's unnecessary to try to explain castling or promotion.

kco
waffllemaster wrote:

In the past I don't think it was a queen (or female) and it couldn't move nearly as far (only 2 squares in any direction I think?)

I'm not chess historian, so this is just a rough sketch lol.  When it moved to Europe the names of pieces changed and certain rules were added to help speed the game up.  Among these were pawns able to move two squares forward, en passant, castling, and increased range of the queen piece (whatever it was called at the time).

Also you could say it's for practical purposes that the king is not the most mobile piece.  Imagine trying to checkmate a piece that can hop like a knight and move like a queen.  In fact, when it comes to game play the icons aren't meant to tell a story.  The movements and rules simply create a game rich in strategy and tactics.  The rook's solid brick walls and bishop's piety are frivolous historical relics or pure imagination unrelated to the game itself.  Similarly it's unnecessary to try to explain castling or promotion.

What you said in the first two paragraphs is correct. 

CrimsonKnight7

Because the King needed to know, that he was nothing without his subjects.

waffllemaster
CrimsonKnight7 wrote:

Because the King needed to know, that he was nothing without his subjects.

Well... except all his subjects could be captured (killed?) while the king was never harmed even in defeat... in fact he sat in the corner all game while the rules forbid players from making a move that didn't remove the threat to his majesty.  I wouldn't quite characterize the game as pro-proletariat.

ivandh

Would be a pretty lame game if the king could just capture any threatening piece.

letsgohome
waffllemaster wrote:

In the past I don't think it was a queen (or female) and it couldn't move nearly as far (only 2 squares in any direction I think?)

I'm not chess historian, so this is just a rough sketch lol.  When it moved to Europe the names of pieces changed and certain rules were added to help speed the game up.  Among these were pawns able to move two squares forward, en passant, castling, and increased range of the queen piece (whatever it was called at the time).

Also you could say it's for practical purposes that the king is not the most mobile piece.  Imagine trying to checkmate a piece that can hop like a knight and move like a queen.  In fact, when it comes to game play the icons aren't meant to tell a story.  The movements and rules simply create a game rich in strategy and tactics.  The rook's solid brick walls and bishop's piety are frivolous historical relics or pure imagination unrelated to the game itself.  Similarly it's unnecessary to try to explain castling or promotion.

exactly my point the dark age- European influence brah

letsgohome

very good analysis

creolord

Queen Isabella etc etc if you search history.It's simply europeans dont had any concept of advisor.

Ziryab

Marilyn Yalom, The Birth of the Chess Queen describes the several century process from the entrance of the queen in place of the vizier (noted by wafflemaster) and the queen becoming the most powerful piece during the reign of Queen Isabella of Spain.

Yalom credits me with introducing our game to Spain in 822.

MrEdCollins

CrimsonKnight7

It is not true that Kings were never harmed nor even killed in combat. Anyway according to the origins of chess, (BatGirl's article) that is the main reason chess was invented, so the King could learn humility. Check her article out. You don't have to take my word for it, lol.

Soorat92

I am not going to argue with the historical reasonings for why the queen came to be called a queen - but I like the way how we've all accepted the idea that the queen is always the second in power and the weaker sex

Try telling that to these regal ladies:-

Elizabeth Bathory

Queen Boudica

Queen Rani Lakshmibai

Queen Zenobia

Tamar of Georgia

Wu Zetian

 

I am sure there are plenty I've forgotten.

 

I know British history is full of revered and often feared Queens

Elizabeth I

Victoria

And lets not forget Mary I who put so many to death she earned the name Bloody Mary

 

Lets face it queens have always kicked ass Kiss

Quite right they should be represented as powerful figures on a chess board

kco

and Elizabeth II

Soorat92

Well yes I wasn't discounting our current queen

I was just looking backwards through history rather than focusing on the present

CANNABALCORPSE
waffllemaster wrote:

In the past I don't think it was a queen (or female) and it couldn't move nearly as far (only 2 squares in any direction I think?)

I'm not chess historian, so this is just a rough sketch lol.  When it moved to Europe the names of pieces changed and certain rules were added to help speed the game up.  Among these were pawns able to move two squares forward, en passant, castling, and increased range of the queen piece (whatever it was called at the time).

Also you could say it's for practical purposes that the king is not the most mobile piece.  Imagine trying to checkmate a piece that can hop like a knight and move like a queen.  In fact, when it comes to game play the icons aren't meant to tell a story.  The movements and rules simply create a game rich in strategy and tactics.  The rook's solid brick walls and bishop's piety are frivolous historical relics or pure imagination unrelated to the game itself.  Similarly it's unnecessary to try to explain castling or promotion.

The queen could only move one square. The king could move two. Also the rooks and bishops could only move one square.

Raja_Kentut

I suspect chess was invented by a woman to keep men engrossed and occupied for hours. That's why the Queen is the most powerful piece on the board.

brandnewgambit
brandnewgambit wrote:

Dear OP

The king in chess is Shahinshah as Indians call it and you would already know chess originated from India. He is not a King like alexander to go to frontier first and  fight a war. Rather Shahin shah or the king of chess knows every dimension of war and his army attacks per his command. He is supposed to be a an aging,old and wise king who dont actively fight but see the war through. Once he is captured the army would surrender for they would have no one to command. The peice we call as queen today wasnt originally the queen , it was the cheif counsellor of the king named fers. Centuries later , dont really know what the reason was , but people wanted it to be queen and the queen then wasnt as powerful as now.  If am not wrong the original queen moves one square diagnally and does nothing more than that. During 1600's spaniards gave combined power of rook and bishop to queen making it the most powerful peice in chess.

kiwi-inactive

I read the opening forum post and began to think "Do I detect possible misogyny rant crusades?"...


Though if you're wondering why and how the chess piece "Queen" was ascribed such power, I recommend reading Marilyn Yalom's book "Birth of the Chess Queen" thesis. I also wrote a complimentary blog introducing it. Academic writer Charlie Carpenter of The Duck of Minerva also wrote a piece about this.  


Google Book for Birth of the Chess Queen

http://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Birth_of_the_Chess_Queen.html?id=efSz6B_UUcoC&redir_esc=y

 

Link to my blog.

 http://www.chess.com/blog/kiwi_overtherainbow/chess-history--the

 

Link to "In Chess, Why is the Queen more Powerful than the King?"

http://www.whiteoliphaunt.com/duckofminerva/2009/09/in-chess-why-is-queen-more-powerful.html