hmmm.
Analyze Caro Kann
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I think you're more likely to get people analyzing it if you put it up as a game board.
Jun 16, 2009
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#4
that was nice of you, Gonnosuke.
OP: Which variation is this? I only know the Exchange :( so I can use it against Caro-Kanners.
Sorry, I don't know what I was thinking, thanks Gonnosuke, I will repost
Jun 16, 2009
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#6
I only know it as the exf6 version of the Caro-Kann. After the opening moves
1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4
Black would really like to play Nf6 except that white doubles up black's pawns. Both the gxf6 and exf6 have their minuses, hence the "keeping the tension" move of 4... Nd7, which is what I play.
But on to the 4... Nf6 in the game. After 5.Nxf6+ black can recapture with either the e-pawn or the g-pawn. The books that I have all seem to agree that the g pawn is better, because at least black gets some good play for the doubled pawn, notably in the open g file, and the mobile h pawn played against white's usual g3. Black can play in the center with e5 and usually castles queenside. The exf6 version is a lot more static. The idea is to get 4 pawns on the kingside to help protect, while giving reasonable development for the remaining pieces. The problem is that there's just not enough play to compensate for the structural weakness.
5....exf6 is the Tartakower ( Nimzovich) variation and 5...gxf6 is the Bronstein/Larsen variation , Ozzie you SHOULD know this ! ( for a small fee I wont report you to the caro kann believers society ) 
Jun 16, 2009
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#8
I knew gxf6 is the Bronstein/Larsen variation, but I didn't know the name for exf6. Hey I thought 4... Nd7 was the Nimzwitsch variation too! Or am I just wrong about that?
I have a book by Gufeld& Stetsko on the 4....Nd7 caro kann and they call it the Smyslov system, yet another source calls it the Steinitz variation and you call it the Nimzwitsch variation....... now I am really confused.... maybe we should just call it Karpov's Caro Kann ? I know that both Smyslov and Petrosian also played this way but dont see Petrosian's name linked to the line anywhere.
Jun 16, 2009
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#10
It's been too long for me, I just call it the Nd7 variation.
For the fee, I'll owe you a beer.
ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:
It's been too long for me, I just call it the Nd7 variation.
For the fee, I'll owe you a beer.
Deal !
Jun 16, 2009
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#12
What about me? I asked the question about which variation instigating this entire affair...where's my cut?
AfafBouardi wrote:
What about me? I asked the question about which variation instigating this entire affair...where's my cut?
You can have a beer with us if Ozzie doesnt mind.
Jun 16, 2009
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#15
Really we should combine this idea with that other "get-together" thread, and have some sort of a get-together and drink beer at the same time.
Jun 16, 2009
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#16
Definitely. Does beer improve play? I've never tried the combination.
Jun 17, 2009
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#18
ah white defnietely screwed up! got himself a nice won endgame then didnt spend the time in analysis board counting out the squares/moves! Tbh white should have won if they had put the time and effort in at the crucial last moves
scarjo wrote:
By the way I think the classic move 4... Bf5 is much better for Black. Black won this game by a brilliant endgame, but was behind most of the time.
Do you mean 4.... Bf5 is much better for black than 4... Nd7 or do you mean 4....Bf5 is better for black than for white ?
Well, for a comparison... here's the main 4... Bf5 line:
And here is what may happen if 4... Nd7 is your choice:
So, what if 4... Nf6 is more your cup of tea? Well, here's gxf6:
And finally, what would happen if we were to take exf6:
Boy, I need something else to do in my spare time... Enjoy, anyway...
1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nf6 5.Nxf6+ exf6 6.Nf3 Bg4 7.h3? Bh5? 8.g4 Bg6 9.Bd3 Bxd3 10.Qxd3 Bd6 11.Bd2 0–0 12.0–0–0 Nd7 13.Nh4 Re8 14.Nf5 Bf8 15.h4 b5± 16.h5 a5 17.Bf4?! Nb6 18.c3?= Nd5 19.Bd2 Qb6 20.f4 a4 21.g5 fxg5 22.fxg5 b4 23.g6 Nf6? 24.gxf7+± Kxf7 25.Qc4+?± Nd5 26.cxb4 Bxb4 27.Bxb4 Qxb4 28.Qxb4 Nxb4 29.Nd6+ Kg8 30.Nxe8 Rxe8 31.a3 Nd5 32.Rde1 Rxe1+ 33.Rxe1 Nf4+- 34.Kd2 Nxh5 35.Re8+ Kf7 36.Rc8 Nf6 37.Rxc6 h5+- 38.Ra6 g5 39.Rxa4 h4 40.Rc4 g4 41.Ke3 h3 42.Kf4 Kg6 43.Rc1 Kh5+- 44.Rg1??–+ Kh4 45.b4 h2 46.Rh1 g3 47.b5 Kh3 48.b6 g2 49.Rxh2+ Kxh2 50.b7 g1Q 51.b8Q Qg3+ 0–1
What do you think