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Best is better

Steven-ODonoghue
nklristic wrote:

Best move is better than excellent move. Though, there is a brilliant move (I never got it in any of my games ) which is better than best move. The way I understand it, brilliant move is assessed as better than "best" move after it is played. It probably has something to do with the depth in which you conclude the analysis, though I am really not sure how it is determined as brilliant precisely.

Brilliant move isn't "better" than the best move it IS the best move. It is just trickier to spot than most moves and usually involves a sacrifice

sndeww
Steven-ODonoghue wrote:
nklristic wrote:

Best move is better than excellent move. Though, there is a brilliant move (I never got it in any of my games ) which is better than best move. The way I understand it, brilliant move is assessed as better than "best" move after it is played. It probably has something to do with the depth in which you conclude the analysis, though I am really not sure how it is determined as brilliant precisely.

Brilliant move isn't "better" than the best move it IS the best move. It is just trickier to spot than most moves and usually involves a sacrifice

in one game I blundered my rook and got a brilliant move because I caused perpetual check

in that same game my opponent got a brilliant for a almost-forced king move (the only other legal square runs into mate)

buddhamsharanam54y

i am not alllowed to post links to my games ?

Srimurugan108

Sometimes even a moderate move is

better 

Akaripikapikari

prefer getting excellent for some reason

why-does-we-exist
strom425 wrote:

Best move - !!

good move-!

blunder -??

mistake -?

good move - no notation 

bad move - ?

blunder - ??

best move (easier to find) - no notation (usually) 

brilliant move - !! (or sometime only !)

why-does-we-exist

For example - 

 

Coolmangamer

I got brilliant so much times like 10 or 11

I_wove_pancakes

wuts this sign?

Chess_Notebook
I_wove_pancakes wrote:

wuts this sign?

This sign means that side won. In this case, the crown is on the black king, so that means black won. The arrow is the best computer move.

KungPeriodFu
I played a game a few games where one move set in motion a domino effect wherein several valuable pieces were pinned, skewered, etc. ultimately leading to a crushing checkmate. I was sure the computer would register a brilliant move but sadly, it didn’t. I’d say it was the closest I’d ever been to brilliant in a game.
nonightlive

I wrote Chess.com about this topic

In trying to be positive about analyzing ones games with Chess.com Analysis tool, I am wondering about notation.
Clearly, blunder (??) and mistake (?). Whatever happened to !! or ! ??
One can get the idea that all they can do is be less than computer-perfect. Never making a very good move or even good for their skill level.
Is there a concept of ! or !! moves in the Analysis tool?

and got this response ...

We definitely have the whole range of move types in the analysis! Some of them are marked a bit differently than is traditional, since it is a computer marking them rather than a human. The computer can always tell what the 'best' move in a given situation is, but might not be able to know if it was especially clever or beautiful, it is a computer, so only knows that it was the 'best' move to play. So, many of the moves that may be marked as ! by a human, will simply be classified as 'best move' by our analysis.

We do have !!, which is marked in our analysis as 'brilliant' , this is a move that was hard even for the engine to see. It is usually a move that the engine discounted, or even thought was a bad move until it looked to a certain depth to see that it was actually the best move possible.

You can see all the different types of move grades here:

  • Brilliant - This move not only was the best move but was difficult to find, even for the engine! Good job!
  • Best Move - The best move in the position, according to the engine
  • Excellent - A great move, but not quite the best
  • Good - This move is okay, but others are better
  • Book - An established opening move
  • Inaccuracy - This is a weak move that could be better
  • Mistake - A bad move that immediately worsens your position
  • Blunder - A very bad move that could lose material or lose the game
  • Missed win - A move was missed that would have won material, or won the game

from a Dave, Knowledge-base Support Manager

 

Dugite295

I would think if you made a brilliant move it is also the Best move. The difference being that a brilliant move is harder to find...so if you did not find the Brilliant move then the best you could hope for is excellent. Not all chess positions have a brilliant move to find....my two cents worth.

tygxc

#34
This makes no sense.

Because of the 50 move rule and the 3 fold repetition rule each chess game ends in a finite number of moves. It ends in either a draw, a win or a loss. Thus every chess position is either a draw, a win, or a loss.

Thus there are only 3 categories of moves that change the objective evaluation of the position:

From draw to loss = mistake (?)

From won to draw = mistake (?)

From won to lost = blunder (??)

tygxc

#37
If from draw to loss is a mistake (?), then from won to draw, which undoes the mistake, should be a mistake (?) just as well. Example: if I hang a piece, then that is a mistake (?). If you fail to notice and do not win said piece, then that is a mistake (?) as well, not a blunder (??).

If I play KQ vs. KR and I stalemate, then that is a mistake (?) from won to draw. If I line up K and Q and allow you to win my queen with a check, than that is a blunder (??) from won to lost.

19Andrew64

Aren't you the player who is being scammed by 'low key grandmasters?'

WHENUARENOOB

its brilliant

AkbarDj

We do not need to recreate the wheel. As we all have seen there are some standard signs for chess analysis. These signs are simple and standard and every normal man understand it. The language must be like that. (Brilliant !!, Good !, Interesting !?, Dubious ?!, Mistake ?, Blunder ??) Any person or programmer who has decided to make Chess.com analytics had to use that but they preferred to use some dramatic phrases like BEST MOVE. You can see such problems still exist in the puzzles even after improvement of calculating the scores, because you must find what ever move the players have done which are not the unique. Sometimes you can change the first move with the second one. Two reasons I guessed. One is to use real played games as puzzle but puzzle must have one unique answer for the first move then it can be a few branches and all the branches include score. Second is that the computer has found the answer must calculate all the right answers then makes score based on that.

Therefore I suggest chess.com programmers to work with chess standards.

WHENUARENOOB

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