Brilliant Moves in New Game Analysis Report

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All  this talk about brilliant moves being best only after the computer analyzes at a deeper level is nonsense.  Today my king was in check in the endgame.  The king had to move to one of 4 squares.  I picked the most obvious choice, to get opposition on his king while attacking the rook.  The obvious choice to a sub 1000 player.  It was called brilliant.  

So just to be clear, brilliant means absolutely nothing.  It was probably intended to mean something like what was discussed in the hundreds of previous posts, but it doesn't work.  

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here is the brilliant move.  Its a joke.  Brilliant means nothing.  It is a flaw in the programming and should just be eliminated
.  There is nothing better than a best move.  

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idk

 

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forked_again wrote:

here is the brilliant move.  Its a joke.  Brilliant means nothing.  It is a flaw in the programming and should just be eliminated
.  There is nothing better than a best move.  

why is Kg1 bad in that position?

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? the engine saw that... engine already was going to playa Bxg3....

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We played a match and in one of the move h5 on black, opponent lost his winning position and exposed his weekness in the h. We have analyzed this.. See attachment

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Its just that stockfish depth isnt gonna instantly find it. Later it will. And for saying computers dont make brilliant moves. First off situations where brilliants moves are played are basicly always after a 'not so good' move. And second off you dont analyse ai matches with depth 18

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Snarie wrote:

Its just that stockfish depth isnt gonna instantly find it. Later it will. And for saying computers dont make brilliant moves. First off situations where brilliants moves are played are basicly always after a 'not so good' move. And second off you dont analyse ai matches with depth 18

But in my game here https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/19157231475?tab=analysis the brilliant move was the only clearly winning move, so I don't understand how the engine could've missed it?

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I got a new brilliant move but the game was not very clean. Also, the move was not very brilliant, it was very obvious.sonalirv vs. mqs1234 | Analysis - Chess.com

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A brilliant move is a move that the engine thinks is a blunder, mistake, or in any way a not useful move. However, the engine looks at the next move you make and realizes that the previous move is significant in your favor. Since it only shows the power of the moves you've just made, it can't show that you made a brilliant move unless you go into analysis.

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hikarunaku wrote:

Brilliant move is the best move which the engine can find only after certain depth is reached. So it is difficult to find for the engine. 

Not true. I asked for a report in a puzzle where the engine was not able to solve before, and the report is considering the move as "Best move".
I'm still not understanding what is a brilliant move, but one thing I noticed is that brilliant moves happens in positions that are not reached frequently. 
This is one example from my games where I tried to use the traxler attack, but my opponent did some mistakes and created a weird position to play. (https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/16323851621?tab=analysis)

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imo Brilliant moves are when you gain HUGE positional advantage though no material has changed. Brilliance in Chess.com is a lot like kero kero bonito; zeitgeist says it isnt the best, but after it occurs there is significant power in the execution of the existance of it. thus brillisance is the 2nd best which actually is the best. Idk tho, i see others up here checking out top plays comparative to engine analysis (to a 'certain' depth). I reckon it is likely that the engine works out the best move and then is beaten by say a piece of positional advantage due to the non-forced sequence (eg. where although a move is not forced, but every other move actually confers positional advantage for the orign player) is considered best. Whereby the depth calculated by the computer is registered as worse than the best move as displayed by the computer at a given depth. In all honesty, I feel "brilliant moves" are more close to best moves given very difficult positions that a computer is struggling against. All my best moves have happened when it is relatively early and there are many pieces on the board. Full disclousrue, i have had maybe 2 Brilliant Moves on ananlysis and i don't play good chess (i be rated 1000)

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https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/22741797793

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once i played a brilliant move, but its just taking a pawn...

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I think it will be assessed as brilliant if engine think that move is better than the move that itself assessed as the best one

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It seems that a definitive consensus has yet to be reached as to what empirically defines a “brilliant move”. This thread is primarily conjecture, educated guess-work and egoist defensiveness. BUT what I think we can ALL reach a consensus on is that “hikarunaku” is the most obnoxiously abrasive, pedantic pontificator I have ever had the displeasure of encountering. It is a testament to this communities maturity that this man was not chased off the thread with torches and pitchforks. I commend you all.