Computer Analysis on Chess.com

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mwaltenburg

Does anyone else have a problem with the analysis of their games from chess.com? Now don't get me wrong, I am not complaining about chess.com because I love this site, I am just wondering if anyone else has had some of their games analyzed by computer and looked at it and wondered, WTF! I realize that the analysis is set up based on the perfect game, but come on, we live in the real world, and I don't think that anyone here thinks like a freaking computer! Do you really believe that some of the moves that this analysis comes up with is really the best move?! Some of the moves I have seen analyzed in my games I really believe would lead to a very quick loss of material and eventually the game! I am no Grandmaster and never will be, so why would I sacrifice so many high powered pieces for no apparent reason. I have looked at the possible continuations and low and behold, a major loss of material! What is the point of that. What I would like to see in these analysises of games is a clearer explaination of why such a move is better than the one I did. I want to see analysis of how the moves I made actually made the difference in why I won or lost. I don't want to see what the computer thought was the best move! The computer program was created by a human that was also flawed just like me! Even Grandmasters make mistakes! I know that I am ranting and raving over something stupid, but then again, I just see things differently. What do you all think of the computer analysis on this site? Do you think that it is a fair representation of your game and skill level or do you think that it is totally BS and has no bearing to this site what-so-ever?

dpruess

it's hard to learn much just from looking at the moves put forward by a computer. by and large, i would expect that those moves put forward are correct-- if not the very best moves at least very good ones. but very hard to understand for humans.

i tell my students not to use computers in their analysis, because they won't tend to learn from it. but lots of people really like to have computer analysis. thus, the service is provided on this site. i would suggest you personally don't "take advantage of it."

computers can't explain chess ideas, so if you want explanations about your games, you'll have to ask a human. and personally, that's what i would recommend. first look at the game yourself, then try to talk to someone else about it. your opponent would be a good place to start.

blowerd

I won my first ever game on the site and did a computer analysis of the game.  The difference is I can make moves based upon common sense. 

Interestingly my opponent made 4 blunders in the game (the game was over very quickly in 25 moves for me, 24 for my opponent,) and 6 mistakes.  I made what the computer considered 10 mistakes and an inaccuarcy. 

Can I just ask what does the following mean: 

Book Move

A score after a move (e.g.) +0.77 etc

And (+Mat08)

Also if your score changes between a move what does it mean if the score goes up or down? 

trigs
blowerd wrote:

 

Can I just ask what does the following mean: 

Book Move

A score after a move (e.g.) +0.77 etc

And (+Mat08)

Also if your score changes between a move what does it mean if the score goes up or down? 


+0.77 and "scores" like this are a number assigned to the position by the computer. if the number is positive then white is winning, if the number is negative then black is winning.

(+Mat08) and such refer to a forced mate. this specific one says there is a forced mate in 8 moves.

blowerd

And just to clafify what does Book Move mean? 

ricecake9
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CarVilla

A 'book move' is the best recommended move for a particular position that you will find in a chess book. Generally, the first moves are 'book moves' because they follow a particular opening found in books. 

blowerd

I made the wrong move 44% of the time in the game that I won!  (11/25 moves.) 

It did show me that I might have took his queen quicker than I did if I had followed what the computer would have done though. 

EternalChess

I had a 100% match with the computer.

Just kidding.

vertamur

Hello,

Actually, i did go through most of my games and even if i am not so great in chess, i clearly dont understand some propositions made by computer when it mentions mistakes or blunders...I try to show to my friends, neither was too convinced..I would like to know if the question is about the strenght of the computer which is too high (2500). Or because it is not that helpful to analyse games via computer. Maybe it is possible to decrease the level or the depth of the analysis

Thanks 

Atos
Schachgeek wrote:

Chess.com's analysis computer gave a ? to the first move of a two move checkmate in one of my games recently.

I understand that "free" members receive less-strong analysis but really, a checkmate? Should have been a !


Maybe there was a one move checkmate ?

Meganut

I can't figure out how to have the computer analyze my games. How do I get started?

teckeon

The analysis just confuses the heck out of me. I apparently thought I made a good move, the analysis came back it was a blunder "??" - Now, as I look through the computers variations, that blunder I made, was one of computer beginning proposed variations. So I ask myself, was it a blunder or not?!

That was a rhetorical question.

Anyone can recommend an analysis tool worth purchasing to improve my chess skills?

RangerBear8

Is there any way of seeing what move the computer would have recommended at the point where you make a mistake or blunder? I assume moves with !!! or ??? mean mistake and blunder. Apparently, I make a lot! Cry

NimzoRoy
dpruess wrote:

it's hard to learn much just from looking at the moves put forward by a computer. by and large, i would expect that those moves put forward are correct-- if not the very best moves at least very good ones. but very hard to understand for humans.

i tell my students not to use computers in their analysis, because they won't tend to learn from it. but lots of people really like to have computer analysis. thus, the service is provided on this site. i would suggest you personally don't "take advantage of it."

computers can't explain chess ideas, so if you want explanations about your games, you'll have to ask a human. and personally, that's what i would recommend. first look at the game yourself, then try to talk to someone else about it. your opponent would be a good place to start.

So the computer analysis is worthless for pointing out moves overlooked by one or both players, or for correcting errors/mistakes and blunders? I analyze & annotate all my online games as they're being played and then let the PC here analyze them afterwards and rarely find games in which I didn't overlook at least one critical continuation that the PC analysis showed up.

BUT I also notice a lot of airheads here who are real "experts" on the subject (usually rated under 1600, a convincing sign of their expertise)  that are absolutely positively certain PC analysis is 100% accurate  and all you need to improve with; even I'm not that impressed by the PC analysis here, I don't agree with all of it all of the time esp it's inaccurate and often dead wrong "opinions" or assessments of perfectly sound opening variations. In fact I'm convinced it must have a really barebones "opening book" otherwise why it would routinely condemn so many variations considered playable by current theory?