You were dead lost and then your opponent dropped his queen.
Hmm, I'm not sure that's a model game.
Deeply study this! Incredible!
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22.Qxc6 but great recovery!
notmtwain wrote:
You were dead lost and then your opponent dropped his queen.
Hmm, I'm not sure that's a model game.
I believe I had chances for a draw, you always seem to post harshly and negatively assuming it is the right answer, it isn't the wrong answer but it surely can be looked at differently, remember the class of elo here and time constraints, all that said and done, I believe this indeed was a great return from the grave, most would just call it lucky, good thing I believe in making my own luck ^_^
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nicholasmaul17 escreveu:
Yep. Nice comments. How about the move 13. the Knight was safe because the pin on the pawn....how about the Bishop grab the pawn immediatly?
notmtwain wrote:
You were dead lost and then your opponent dropped his queen.
Hmm, I'm not sure that's a model game.
32...Qd8? is simply met with 33. Qxf8+ Qxf8 34. Nxf8 Kxf8 and White might have chances to hold the pawn ending, though Black is still clearly ahead.
As such it appears that 31...h6?? was the big mistake allowing 32. Ng6, when Black cannot save his extra exchange.
Some other thoughts:
Mixturelord wrote:
notmtwain wrote:
You were dead lost and then your opponent dropped his queen.
Hmm, I'm not sure that's a model game.
I believe I had chances for a draw, you always seem to post harshly and negatively assuming it is the right answer, it isn't the wrong answer but it surely can be looked at differently, remember the class of elo here and time constraints, all that said and done, I believe this indeed was a great return from the grave, most would just call it lucky, good thing I believe in making my own luck ^_^
You claimed that your game was worthy of deep study. Had you simply called it "A lucky comeback", I would not have bothered to quibble.
If you want to be patted on the head, go upstairs and show it to your mother or father.
anyways you were playing 5 mins are you??????
the oppenent made mistake so you were +-
I mean with all due respect, it is true. You should have lost the game and you got lucky due to a blunder by your opponent.
notmtwain wrote:
Mixturelord wrote:
notmtwain wrote:
You were dead lost and then your opponent dropped his queen.
Hmm, I'm not sure that's a model game.
I believe I had chances for a draw, you always seem to post harshly and negatively assuming it is the right answer, it isn't the wrong answer but it surely can be looked at differently, remember the class of elo here and time constraints, all that said and done, I believe this indeed was a great return from the grave, most would just call it lucky, good thing I believe in making my own luck ^_^
You claimed that your game was worthy of deep study. Had you simply called it "A lucky comeback", I would not have bothered to quibble.
If you want to be patted on the head, go upstairs and show it to your mother or father.
Abuse to another brings proof you were abused and didn't get over it.
I'd appreciate if you had critical feedback to simply vent it in a constructive rather then insultive way, and what you are missing here, is take a good look at the position, how it just 'happened' to end up with the chance for the knight to do a check and the king just happened to move into a square that allowed another check and the queen just happened to be there for the taking coming back from the grave, you call it, getting lucky, I had a sense I'd win no matter what from the start, some call it faith, some call it luck, whatever you call it, thanks for the output, but next time please minimize the insults. 'Mother and father thing was not really needed considering my father isn't on earth anymore, besides I have no insulted you have I? - Thanks!
@mixturelord You needed to be self-aware when posting this thread- the game wasn't "incredible" to any experienced chessplayer- it was just a game where someone was losing and then the other person blundered horribly and lost. There's no element of faith to it. Faith doesn't win chess games. Calculation and technique wins chess games, and the lack thereof loses games. Your opponent lacked calculation and blundered.
Again, given your rating, it's not a bad game by your or anything but it's just the way you advertised this thread, indicating that we should "deeply study" it and that it was "incredible" was very misleading, that's all. I hope you don't take offense to it; that's just the way it is on here. I guess just be more aware of the community here.
lol
dpnorman wrote:
@mixturelord You needed to be self-aware when posting this thread- the game wasn't "incredible" to any experienced chessplayer- it was just a game where someone was losing and then the other person blundered horribly and lost. There's no element of faith to it. Faith doesn't win chess games. Calculation and technique wins chess games, and the lack thereof loses games. Your opponent lacked calculation and blundered.
Again, given your rating, it's not a bad game by your or anything but it's just the way you advertised this thread, indicating that we should "deeply study" it and that it was "incredible" was very misleading, that's all. I hope you don't take offense to it; that's just the way it is on here. I guess just be more aware of the community here.
Okay I'll try explain this again.
1. I was losing the game.
2. I was losing the game badly.
3. I was pretty much a few moves away from checkmate.
4. I didn't get lucky, I had faith I'd win, if you call that the opponent blundering or me getting lucky or whatever you wish to call it, then feel free to do so.
5. The reason why I said it was incredible and please deeply study it, it was not because I did any tactical amazing-ness or any epic calculation, I'm not smart enough to know any of that stuff, but I do understand at the start of the game my faith was strong and constantly knew I had faith, and I just happened to win, by whatever means, a win is a win, even if it seems just 'lucky' what I was saying was; Faith did help me win. When I say Incredible I do not mean Incredible objectively, I mean Incredible to me, because I was amazed my faith actually did help me win from a losing position exactly how I wanted it to be! - Thanks for your understanding!
I would say faith is fairly irrelevant to whether or not you win a chess game. I suppose it can inspire you to play better, but then it's still impossible to win a chess game if your opponent makes no errors. You would not have won this game had your opponent not made a gross blunder. What happened in your game would be like the follwing example of a soccer game. Let's say you're losing 1-0 late in the game, but you have faith. Then the opponent commits two "own goals" in a row and then you win! Is that a result of your faith? Eh...maybe you could argue divine intervention, but you didn't yourself do anything to cause that.
But whatever. I'm glad you felt fulfillment at having won the game. Regards.
Sorry about double post lol
dpnorman wrote:
I would say faith is fairly irrelevant to whether or not you win a chess game. I suppose it can inspire you to play better, but then it's still impossible to win a chess game if your opponent makes no errors. You would not have won this game had your opponent not made a gross blunder. What happened in your game would be like the follwing example of a soccer game. Let's say you're losing 1-0 late in the game, but you have faith. Then the opponent commits two "own goals" in a row and then you win! Is that a result of your faith? Eh...maybe you could argue divine intervention, but you didn't yourself do anything to cause that.
But whatever. I'm glad you felt fulfillment at having won the game. Regards.
Thing is, if it was divine intervention, it would of had a cause, and that would of rested entirely on my faith, so if it was, it totally would of been the faith I had to cause that.
Effects make causes.
Causes make effects.
Mixturelord wrote:
dpnorman wrote:
I would say faith is fairly irrelevant to whether or not you win a chess game. I suppose it can inspire you to play better, but then it's still impossible to win a chess game if your opponent makes no errors. You would not have won this game had your opponent not made a gross blunder. What happened in your game would be like the follwing example of a soccer game. Let's say you're losing 1-0 late in the game, but you have faith. Then the opponent commits two "own goals" in a row and then you win! Is that a result of your faith? Eh...maybe you could argue divine intervention, but you didn't yourself do anything to cause that.
But whatever. I'm glad you felt fulfillment at having won the game. Regards.
Thing is, if it was divine intervention, it would of had a cause, and that would of rested entirely on my faith, so if it was, it totally would of been the faith I had to cause that.
Effects make causes.
Causes make effects.
So you do not believe Chess is a 50/50 game consisting of calculation,chance,faith, and strategy?
I don't believe faith has anything to do with it because A) I am not religious, so I don't believe divine intervention plays a role (and even if it did, why would any deity want to help some random class player win a chess game against another?) and B) in my tournament and chess game experience, whenever I win it's due to my opponent making errors, and whenever I lose it's due to me making errors. It's all based on skill and the moves played at the board.
dpnorman wrote:
I don't believe faith has anything to do with it because A) I am not religious, so I don't believe divine intervention plays a role (and even if it did, why would any deity want to help some random class player win a chess game against another?) and B) in my tournament and chess game experience, whenever I win it's due to my opponent making errors, and whenever I lose it's due to me making errors. It's all based on skill and the moves played at the board.
Aha, I get this all the time, the answer is dead simple.
In the old days, God helped people win wars. Blessed them, made them lucky, or made the other side slip up, whatever..
What is Chess? A game of war? Oh ah do we see a pattern here? I've had games before where I for certain believe God has helped me win, if not a real life war? Why not a game for fun that is basically war? We can learn heaps if we change the way we think.
http://www.chess.com/livechess/game?id=1357182505
Basically I was telling myself I have to get victory, otherwise something would happen, anyways, I was that determined in this quick witted game, I somehow pulled it off, with a little faith, and hope, and sheer determination, I turned this losing position for me into a winning one, yes I lost a knight early on, and yes I was only saved by the knights ability, but look at how it all played out, I feel this was pretty insane!