We have a member in my club who is a veritable moron and who is close to being an idiot and he knows the en passant rule. Not knowing this rule is like a basketball player not knowing the "3 second rule". Even playground players in pickup games know this and, trust me, having played a lot of ball in my life, guys will get on your case if you "camp out" under the basket when your team has the ball. even in games with no referees I rest my case.
Engine couldn't tell that this was checkmate even though it is !!
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Aug 12, 2021
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ajl721x wrote:
This can happen unfortunately where an engine does not recognize a certain position as checkmate, or if it fails to see the mate sequence.
It’s not mate.
You wanna go back to only ever moving the pawns 1 square? The bishops moving 2?
Aug 12, 2021
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Chessflyfisher wrote:
We have a member in my club who is a veritable moron and who is close to being an idiot and he knows the en passant rule. Not knowing this rule is like a basketball player not knowing the "3 second rule". Even playground players in pickup games know this and, trust me, having played a lot of ball in my life, guys will get on your case if you "camp out" under the basket when your team has the ball. even in games with no referees I rest my case.
No point trying to compare chess rules with basketball rules.
If at least 2 players have played thousands of chess games against other players, who themselves have played thousands of games against other players in a snowball effect, and none of them have ever seen/used this move in all those MANY thousands of game, it's VERY reasonable to say that en passant is NOT widely known otherwise it would have been used in at least some of those games when it could have been, particularly in endgame when it's common for one player to have a pawn in the 5th row and the opponent to still have pawns in the 2nd row that are adjacent to it and want to 'bypass it' because they don't want to give it a 'freebie' further down the board and -1 pawn to boot.
Aug 12, 2021
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#27
Barney-Boondoggle wrote:
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It's a relatively new "rule", the newest in Chess by any measure, according to some less than 5 years old.
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But not according to any over fives.
It's a relatively new "rule", the newest in Chess by any measure, according to some less than 5 years old.
Very close! it was actually introduced in the 15th century, roughly at the same time that the pawns were allowed to advance two squares on their initial turn.
Aug 12, 2021
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According to Wikipedia 'en passant is a common theme in chess compositions', so if it's so common how come many thousands of players have never actually seen it/done it ?
Maybe it was common knowledge in the 15th C, but the facts In the 21st certainly seem to suggest that it is anything but common knowledge otherwise it would be seen a lot more than incredibly isolated incidents.
Aug 12, 2021
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#31
AunTheKnight wrote:
This trolling has gone too far.
Yep. Unfollowing...
Aug 12, 2021
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#32
EscherehcsE wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
This trolling has gone too far.
Yep. Unfollowing...
Because the 'facts' I've presented have 'won' the discussion. It's common to flee in defeat. It's like resigning when you know you've lost.
UrBetterThanMee wrote:
EscherehcsE wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
This trolling has gone too far.
Yep. Unfollowing...
Because the 'facts' I've presented have 'won' the discussion. It's common to flee in defeat. It's like resigning when you know you've lost.
4 day old account, "playing chess for 40 years," and has a username that sounds like something a drunk 9 year old came up with. clearly a troll
Aug 12, 2021
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#35
ChesswithNickolay wrote:
Can 9 year olds even get drunk?
don't ask...
Barney-Boondoggle wrote:
Games are supposed to be fun.
If a fake "rule" exists, that I didn't know about, or am not skilled enough to properly use, and I lose ... that's not fun.
Solution: Abolish "En Passant"!
It's a relatively new "rule", the newest in Chess by any measure, according to some less than 5 years old.
Let's stamp out this insidious SCOURGE before it can establish it's Rotten Roots in the minds of our youth!
Um... they added this rule back when they added the rule that pawns can move 2 squares on their first move, so that's a while ago, this is just completely ridiculous.
I'm gonna unfollow this right after I post this comment.
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#37
ChesswithNickolay wrote:
darkbrah7654 wrote:
ChesswithNickolay wrote:
Can 9 year olds even get drunk?
don't ask...
let me try it on myself...
don't be surprised if chess.com ever closes your account for being drunk...
Stop feeding the obvious and unoriginal troll.
what about pawn pessant
UrBetterThanMee wrote:
Gomer_Pyle wrote:
That position is not checkmate. Black can play axb3 en passant to remove the check.
WTF ?? (sorry for the French, but en passant is French)
I actually had to google this to see what it is. And in hindsight, you ARE correct, I COULD have taken that checking pawn.
Started playing chess more than 40 years ago but I've NEVER seen ANYTHING like en passant!!
Didn't even know such a rule existed in all those 40 odd years because I've never played a single game with anyone who has ever used it, or anyone who has ever taught it.
It's a rule that is as obtuse as hell. I'd feel fairly comfortable saying that there are probably even GM's or incredibly highly ranked players who don't know that en passant exists either.
Literally speechless here.
Not to worry, I learned it the hard way in a very similar scenario years ago. Coincidentally, my opponent did not know it either!
"It's a rule that is as obtuse as hell. I'd feel fairly comfortable saying that there are probably even GM's or incredibly highly ranked players who don't know that en passant exists either."
Every player who has ever played in an official event--even if it's only a grade school tournament--knows the en passant rule. Many casual players, who only play other casual players, have only a vague notion of the rules, and that's fine. But once you start playing strangers, it's worth learning the actual rules of the game. I suspect there is a free video on chess.com explaining the few special rules of chess
Yeah, I'm assuming that the OP really wasn't aware of en passant, but when he makes a statement like the one quoted, it makes me wonder if we're being trolled. (I know it's a new account with a low rating, but he might be a very good troll, lol.)
Like I said, I've played around 2k games on this site against random strangers in the last month while recuperating from an operation. None of those 2k or so players have ever used the move and I'm sure there have been times that it could have been used in those games.
In this thread, one of the first responders didn't know it either and according to their ratings in ALL categories they are 'far from a beginner' who has read a standard book, plus it isn't the 1st account they have had on the site either.
If an 'experienced' player with good ratings in all categories obviously didn't see the move either, given all their experience against playing against other people who obviously didn't know it/never used it against him, I think it IS VERY fair to say that 'en passant' is NOT widely known outside of elite-ish circles.
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