How do you convert this +3.5 position? I ended up in a losing position.

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PerpetuallyPinned wrote:
krazeechess wrote:

My coach shows concepts and games using those concepts, then explains them thoroughly and shows how you can find them in your games. Next time I will annotate my game before posting it in forums. Do you know any good books talking about good/bad pieces, how to utilize them, outposts, etc?

I know of many good books covering that material. You seem to have a good understanding of it. That's really not going to benefit you very much imo.

Silman's (I guess he coined it, idk) "Imbalances" covers these things.

Gambit's Chess College series by Grivas covers things fairly well, but you may only actually use the 3rd/last volume (unless I missed 1).

Nunn's book Understanding Chess Middlegames covers a lot.

Aagard's books I like the most...but I have the older Excelling at Chess from Everyman

I'd highly suggest you ask around about the newer series he has from Quality Chess (I like the GM Prep books, so biased) Positional Play, Strategic Play, and Calculation (3 books).

Alright, I will check them out.

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PerpetuallyPinned wrote:

Has your coach shown you how to analyze like RUA4ever?

On the topic of analyzing a position, here's a thread dealing with the subject that I put together a few years ago. You might find it helpful.

Try reading my posts and playing through the sample games from the first two or three pages of the thread.

GM Larry Evans' method of static analysis - Chess Forums - Chess.com

Excellent article!

And on a Larry Evans side note. He owuld always show up at the Reno tournaments and do a Q&A.  The most asked question always something about Fischer.  But i was curious as to why he was with Fischer during the candidates matches, but during the match with Spassky?

Larry Evans said that Fischer told him that his wife was not allowed to come along, so Larry said ok I'm not going. 

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blueemu wrote:
PerpetuallyPinned wrote:

Has your coach shown you how to analyze like RUA4ever?

On the topic of analyzing a position, here's a thread dealing with the subject that I put together a few years ago. You might find it helpful.

Try reading my posts and playing through the sample games from the first two or three pages of the thread.

GM Larry Evans' method of static analysis - Chess Forums - Chess.com

I've read and liked it.

I never could actually count space in a game though. I found too hard to apply

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PerpetuallyPinned wrote:
blueemu wrote:
PerpetuallyPinned wrote:

Has your coach shown you how to analyze like RUA4ever?

On the topic of analyzing a position, here's a thread dealing with the subject that I put together a few years ago. You might find it helpful.

Try reading my posts and playing through the sample games from the first two or three pages of the thread.

GM Larry Evans' method of static analysis - Chess Forums - Chess.com

I've read and liked it.

I never could actually count space in a game though. I found too hard to apply

Just count how many squares each piece controls/moves to.

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Once you understand the principles, it probably isn't necessary to actually do the count. Just look at the position and say to yourself: "I'm up in space, my opponent is cramped... let's look for alternating threats to run him ragged."

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blueemu wrote:

Once you understand the principles, it probably isn't necessary to actually do the count. Just look at the position and say to yourself: "I'm up in space, my opponent is cramped... let's look for alternating threats to run him ragged."

You betcha, but its like counting all the squares to determine if the king can catch the pawn before it promotes.  Then!  You learn about being in the square of the pawn. 

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blueemu wrote:
PerpetuallyPinned wrote:

Has your coach shown you how to analyze like RUA4ever?

On the topic of analyzing a position, here's a thread dealing with the subject that I put together a few years ago. You might find it helpful.

Try reading my posts and playing through the sample games from the first two or three pages of the thread.

GM Larry Evans' method of static analysis - Chess Forums - Chess.com

Alright, I went through the game and saw all the components for analyzing a position.

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yes, I keep a rough estimate and usually the pawn structure helps me

I just can't keep track of how much space each side has after considering a move in a calculation. I'm more inclined to wait until the end of it, if enough pieces are using that space I sometimes actually count.

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PerpetuallyPinned wrote:

yes, I keep a rough estimate and usually the pawn structure helps me

I just can't keep track of how much space each side has after considering a move in a calculation. I'm more inclined to wait until the end of it, if enough pieces are using that space I sometimes actually count.

Evaluations (as opposed to calculations) should only be performed on quiescent positions anyway.

Calculate in dynamic positions, evaluate in quiescent positions.

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krazeechess wrote:
blueemu wrote:
PerpetuallyPinned wrote:

Has your coach shown you how to analyze like RUA4ever?

On the topic of analyzing a position, here's a thread dealing with the subject that I put together a few years ago. You might find it helpful.

Try reading my posts and playing through the sample games from the first two or three pages of the thread.

GM Larry Evans' method of static analysis - Chess Forums - Chess.com

Alright, I went through the game and saw all the components for analyzing a position.

The most important take-away from the thread is the Results Matrix in Post #12.

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blueemu wrote:
PerpetuallyPinned wrote:

yes, I keep a rough estimate and usually the pawn structure helps me

I just can't keep track of how much space each side has after considering a move in a calculation. I'm more inclined to wait until the end of it, if enough pieces are using that space I sometimes actually count.

Evaluations (as opposed to calculations) should only be performed on quiescent positions anyway.

Calculate in dynamic positions, evaluate in quiescent positions.

Hmm, I calculate until and evaluate after.

I have problems identifying the point of quiescence...(I can't even spell it) due to not being a tactical monster. So, I tend to evaluate more...knowing my weakness. Does that even make sense?

 

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quiescently, yes

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I keep it simple.  Anytime a pawn moves, or their has been an exchange.  I recalculate my game plan.

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PerpetuallyPinned wrote:

Hmm, I calculate until and evaluate after.

That's correct. You should calculate forward until the position that you are visualizing becomes quiescent (ie: until the tactics die down) and then evaluate that resulting position.

I can give a real-life example from a game that decided first place in a tournament:

I was alone in second place, half-a-point behind the tournament leader, and had the Black pieces against him in the last round. There were about six or seven players half-a-point behind me... so a draw was just about worthless to me, since it would land me in a four-way-tie for second place. I needed a win. I'll just skip forward to the critical position:

 

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Hold up, hold up

I was kinda impressed with that sequence...until

I saw all the moves before.

Where the calculations actually begin?

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PerpetuallyPinned wrote:

Hold up, hold up

I was kinda impressed with that sequence...until

I saw all the moves before.

Where the calculations actually begin?

My game?

It sort of went off the rails for BOTH players after I overlooked White's 19. Nxg5 idea... which turned out to be rather double-edged after my zwischenzug (in-between-move) 19. ... Nd4 instead of accepting the piece immediately.

In other words... I had completely overlooked White's 19th move (Nxg5), and he must have completely overlooked my reply (Nd4). From that point on, the game was pretty random, as you might expect.

The position in the diagram was moderately calm in the sense that neither player was immediately threatening anything. So I used that position as the jumping-off point for White's "combination" (which turned out to be a blunder instead of a winning line).

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hmm

The chances of me remembering all that are probably worse than a one armed bandit at the casino telling you how many of each fruit he just saw. And my eyes would feel about same

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uhhh i just played a game and even after staring at the position for 5 minutes i can't figure out why this is a blunder

And on top of that, all the computer's top recommendations were moving the rook on the b file. Don't I get a pawn with this move?

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PerpetuallyPinned wrote:

hmm

The chances of me remembering all that are probably worse than a one armed bandit at the casino telling you how many of each fruit he just saw. And my eyes would feel about same

It was the basic principle (don't stop calculating half-way down a tactical line; evaluate at the END of the line, not in the middle) that I was trying to illustrate. The actual combination was just an example.

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Leave the site analysis for the birds.