How will Dutch Defense work against London System?

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I learned Dutch Defense recently and I'd like to see some interesting games you all came across as black while playing Dutch Defense against London System Players. Your tips for gameplay are highly appreciated! Thanks in advance 😊♟

Link to one of my games: you can point out my mistakes as well!

https://www.chess.com/game/live/28103944419

 

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let's play

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Against the London ,maybe this kind of setup will help

 

Hmm you need to take care that in Dutch the king side is kinda weak so just make sure there is no tactic for your opponent like Qh5+,g6,Nxg6,hxg6,Qxh8 or something like that .But as a "c4" or English player ,dutch annoys me the most .

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it left the position very open, probably i would miss

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MindDestroyer19 wrote:

Against the London ,maybe this kind of setup will help

 

Hmm you need to take care that in Dutch the king side is kinda weak so just make sure there is no tactic for your opponent like Qh5+,g6,Nxg6,hxg6,Qxh8 or something like that .But as a "c4" or English player ,dutch annoys me the most .

This is how I play against it

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ricorat wrote:
MindDestroyer19 wrote:

Against the London ,maybe this kind of setup will help

 

Hmm you need to take care that in Dutch the king side is kinda weak so just make sure there is no tactic for your opponent like Qh5+,g6,Nxg6,hxg6,Qxh8 or something like that .But as a "c4" or English player ,dutch annoys me the most .

This is how I play against it

yeah yeah its a good way to play these positions .

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MindDestroyer19 wrote:
ricorat wrote:
MindDestroyer19 wrote:

Against the London ,maybe this kind of setup will help

 

Hmm you need to take care that in Dutch the king side is kinda weak so just make sure there is no tactic for your opponent like Qh5+,g6,Nxg6,hxg6,Qxh8 or something like that .But as a "c4" or English player ,dutch annoys me the most .

This is how I play against it

yeah yeah its a good way to play these positions .

The one difference I play in it is instead on Nh5 I plant my Knight on e4. But yeah overall great way to play against the London

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When the bishop is on f4 you may want to play g5. After all, you can’t go for less if you’re playing the Dutch...

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Hmm...try just playing the Reverse London as black. happy.png -Q.E.D.

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You can literally do anything against the London system. It's nothing to be afraid of, just play normal developing moves. One of the problems you'll have to solve is what to do with your bishops. The pawn on f5 is in the way of your light-squared bishop. It's not usually a good piece, especially in a stonewall setup. The dark-squared bishop is quite important though. So my tip for the game: don't trade it off for a measly knight.

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At the high level everybody loses because they don't get their light squared Bishop out so get that out quickly

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Not a bad video on the dutch against the London. I tried it, but there are better options. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU8uXAYkAdg&ab_channel=HangingPawns

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MindDestroyer19 wrote:

Against the London ,maybe this kind of setup will help

 

Hmm you need to take care that in Dutch the king side is kinda weak so just make sure there is no tactic for your opponent like Qh5+,g6,Nxg6,hxg6,Qxh8 or something like that .But as a "c4" or English player ,dutch annoys me the most .

Thank you! actually this is what I wanted to ask specifically. My game link wasn't London even though I played Dutch main moves. All your moves made perfect sense thanks again happy.png

 

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ricorat wrote:
MindDestroyer19 wrote:
ricorat wrote:
MindDestroyer19 wrote:

Against the London ,maybe this kind of setup will help

 

Hmm you need to take care that in Dutch the king side is kinda weak so just make sure there is no tactic for your opponent like Qh5+,g6,Nxg6,hxg6,Qxh8 or something like that .But as a "c4" or English player ,dutch annoys me the most .

This is how I play against it

yeah yeah its a good way to play these positions .

The one difference I play in it is instead on Nh5 I plant my Knight on e4. But yeah overall great way to play against the London

Knight on e4 seems legit too!

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B1ZMARK wrote:

When the bishop is on f4 you may want to play g5. After all, you can’t go for less if you’re playing the Dutch...

Interesting...

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RAU4ever wrote:

You can literally do anything against the London system. It's nothing to be afraid of, just play normal developing moves. One of the problems you'll have to solve is what to do with your bishops. The pawn on f5 is in the way of your light-squared bishop. It's not usually a good piece, especially in a stonewall setup. The dark-squared bishop is quite important though. So my tip for the game: don't trade it off for a measly knight.

That is a fantastic tip. I'll keep it my mind forever.... you explained it nicely.. I'm so happy that a Candidate Master made a comment on my post happy.png

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EuphoniousJones wrote:

At the high level everybody loses because they don't get their light squared Bishop out so get that out quickly

Yes have to look out for this on my next games,,

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@Gump_forest, if your game is not posting, click the edit button and then repost.

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manekapa wrote:

@Gump_forest, if your game is not posting, click the edit button and then repost.

thank u it helpedhappy.png