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sylvestermmmb
Oct 20, 2011
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#1

Hey guys, this is my first post as a member of the forum. I joined the site on facebook, so my opponent and I were both "1200" when we started playing (the discrepancy in rating was not discovered until after the game), and honestly my rating is probably artificially high on account of only having played three games.
I don't usually make it a habit to analyze games that I win, but this one I thought was interesting up until move 11. In particular, move 7 is the one I'd like analyzed by people who are better than myself (for both white and black). How could white have avoided this scenario? Where there better moves than 7. d3?
Thanks everybody! Have a good day :)

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thejackbauer
Oct 20, 2011
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#2

I don't usually go into that opening as White but I'm pretty sure Nc3 was a mistake. It seems better to play Bxd5 and then followed by Nc3 winning a tempo on the Queen, besides just losing a pawn. After Queen moves perhaps castle or d3. 

Then 7. d3 not only undoubles your pawns but gives him a backwards e-pawn. 

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b1_
Oct 20, 2011
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#3

4...Nxe4! 5. Bxf7+!! seems the best if you see the pawn-fork coming. 5...Kxf7 6. Nxe4, with massive attack on the Black king approaching.

7. Qe2, btw, forking e5-pawn and c4-pawn - I don't think he can defend both.

You play horrifically-bad chess sylverstermmmb (no offence).

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jaydeeuk1
Oct 20, 2011
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#4

I'd have played 7. Qe2.

 

Or resigned, thats a horrible position ;)

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JJBooy
Oct 20, 2011
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#5
b1_ wrote:

4...Nxe4! 5. Bxf7+!! seems the best if you see the pawn-fork coming. 5...Kxf7 6. Nxe4, with massive attack on the Black king approaching.

7. Qe2, btw, forking e5-pawn and c4-pawn - I don't think he can defend both.

You play horrifically-bad chess sylverstermmmb (no offence).

B1, sylverstermmmb was Black. And he rather did a good job. Aka00devon was the one having some problems. You will see in the link below to the game.

http://www.chess.com/echess/game.html?id=47479278

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JJBooy
Oct 20, 2011
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#6
I am not sure how goo this analysis is. But this is how I would have played. I am sure somebody else could have done a much better job though. I was going to do a very quick analysis on the moves that you had questions with, but it endded up taking me about 40 minutes. :)
 
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ROOKe281
Oct 20, 2011
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#7

FAR FROM A EXPERT but i wouldve saved my bishop instead of the knight

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b1_
Oct 20, 2011
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#8
JJBooy wrote:
b1_ wrote:

4...Nxe4! 5. Bxf7+!! seems the best if you see the pawn-fork coming. 5...Kxf7 6. Nxe4, with massive attack on the Black king approaching.

7. Qe2, btw, forking e5-pawn and c4-pawn - I don't think he can defend both.

You play horrifically-bad chess sylverstermmmb (no offence).

B1, sylverstermmmb was Black. And he rather did a good job. Aka00devon was the one having some problems. You will see in the link below to the game.

http://www.chess.com/echess/game.html?id=47479278

My mistake (board orientation and questions on White moves threw me).

Black's opening, with 4...Nxe4, is still unsound as far as I can see, for the reasons I gave above.

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sylvestermmmb
Oct 25, 2011
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#9

Thanks for the analysis, JJbooy, I appreciate it. In move six in your blue variation (following 5. d4 Nxc3 6. bxc3), I might have gone with the more conservative 6... f6. Is that a mistake? It gives his knight a temporary post on the g5 square, which could pose a problem for me:

This might be the version that is actually "horrifically bad" but I am learning.

 

B1, I found a grandmaster game with the same opening sequence of moves which black won, so I'm not sure I agree with your assessment that 4. ...Nxe4 is unsound. Sorry for the link to the external site:
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JJBooy
Oct 25, 2011
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#10
sylvestermmmb wrote:

Thanks for the analysis, JJbooy, I appreciate it. In move six in your blue variation (following 5. d4 Nxc3 6. bxc3), I might have gone with the more conservative 6... f6. Is that a mistake? It gives his knight a temporary post on the g5 square, which could pose a problem for me:

This might be the version that is actually "horrifically bad" but I am learning.

 

B1, I found a grandmaster game with the same opening sequence of moves which black won, so I'm not sure I agree with your assessment that 4. ...Nxe4 is unsound. Sorry for the link to the external site:

The problem with 6...f6 is 7.Nh4. I will show you. Others will be able to do a better job, but here is what I have done to others as white, when they play f6.

If you really wanted to protect the e5 pawn I would say for you to play d6.

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b1_
Oct 26, 2011
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#11
sylvestermmmb wrote:

B1, I found a grandmaster game with the same opening sequence of moves which black won, so I'm not sure I agree with your assessment that 4. ...Nxe4 is unsound. Sorry for the link to the external site:

My mistake...again! The 5. Bxf7+ 'massive attack' on the king does not appear to be as massive as I first thought according to fritz. Black gets compensation for his exposed king from the two central pawns. Still a feasable line, and a hairy ride if taken.

Not surprisingly the master game you found took the best line (fritz) with 6.Bd3, preserving his bishops and regaining material. The resulting position, however, I think is good for black (central pawn) - if he hasn't got and advantage he's at least equal.

Your opponent definitely played horrifically bad though, surely...