ok, we are getting off topic, lets get back on topic, isn't there that one book move checkmate on chess.com
Is it possible to loose a game without mistakes by checkmate ?
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Jan 3, 2022
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#43
Surely it comes down to the quality of the moves not necessarily mistakes no?
Jan 3, 2022
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#44
It actually is possible. For the fool's mate all the moves are book moves
#51
8 d5 is a pretty refutation
Black certainly did not play without any mistake
3...Bc5 develops the bishop before the knight: 3...Nf6 or 3...a6
4...Bb6 moves the same piece twice in the opening
5...exd4 cedes the center, trades a central pawn e5 for a wing pawn c3, freeing square c3 for Nb1
6...Nce7 moves the same piece twice in the opening
Reddevil_007 wrote:
Yeah....
If opponent played more best move than us....
And Good move r not really good ...
And don't forget great moves lol
What about brilliant move.
#59
A brilliant move is just a good move with some aesthetic appeal.
Jan 4, 2022
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#50
Not really, from what I understand, a brilliant move is a move that is only good if you play a specific line in the next few moves.
Here is a more sensible definition of a brilliant move:
1) It is a move that wins: drawing or losing moves are not brilliant
2) It is a unique move: when several moves win, none are brilliant
3) It involves a scarifice: aesthetically pleasant
4) It is a quiet move: no check or capture: those are too obvious
Jan 4, 2022
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#52
well, I recently played a -game- EDIT: move that was brilliant, that was a check, so 4 is out, 3 is common, but to my knowledge, is not required, and also, for 3b, that's subjective, for 2, unique is vague, things can be unique in different ways, and for 1. what if its a move that seemingly weakens your position but actually causes a draw if you play a specific line.
Jan 4, 2022
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#53
I am going off the chess.com engine definition, which isn't necessarily the best, but that's what I'm going off of, now if we are talking about a human's definition, that's a different thing entirely.
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Jan 4, 2022
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#56
Plot Twist/Possible Option: Your opponent just resigned before you played a move
JLGaming_YT wrote:
Plot Twist/Possible Option: Your opponent just resigned before you played a move
Resigning, flagging, answering a cell phone during the game and getting forfeited, etc. are ways you can lose while not playing any bad moves, but the OP's topic was specifically "lose by checkmate" (well, loose, but lose was obviously what was meant).
This question has long fascinated me because often when I lose, I am convinced that I didn't make any mistakes. Here is a game that I resigned in a clearly lost position, but according to chess.com computer analysis, I played zero blunders, mistakes or inaccuracies.
1. d4 d5
2. c4 c6
3. Nf3 e6
4. e3 Nf6
5. Nc3 Bd6
6. Bd3 h6
7. 0-0 0-0
8. cxd5 exd5
9. Qc2 Re8
10. Re1 Bg4
11. e4 dxe4
12. Nxe4 Nxe4
13. Bxe4 Nd7
14. Bd2 Nf6
15. Bf5 Bxf3
16. gxf3 Qc7
17. h3 BF4
18. Bxf4 Qxf4
19. Be4 Nxe4
20. fxe4 Re6
21. Re3 Rg6+
22. Kh1 Re8
23. Rg1 Rxg1+
24. Kxg1 Re6
25. Qd3 b5
26. b4 Rg6+
27. Rg3 Rxg3+
28. fxg3 Qc1+
29. Kf2 Qb2+
30. Kf3 Qxa2
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Jul 19, 2022
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#59
DanielArnett wrote:
This question has long fascinated me because often when I lose, I am convinced that I didn't make any mistakes. Here is a game that I resigned in a clearly lost position, but according to chess.com computer analysis, I played zero blunders, mistakes or inaccuracies.
1. d4 d5
2. c4 c6
3. Nf3 e6
4. e3 Nf6
5. Nc3 Bd6
6. Bd3 h6
7. 0-0 0-0
8. cxd5 exd5
9. Qc2 Re8
10. Re1 Bg4
11. e4 dxe4
12. Nxe4 Nxe4
13. Bxe4 Nd7
14. Bd2 Nf6
15. Bf5 Bxf3
16. gxf3 Qc7
17. h3 BF4
18. Bxf4 Qxf4
19. Be4 Nxe4
20. fxe4 Re6
21. Re3 Rg6+
22. Kh1 Re8
23. Rg1 Rxg1+
24. Kxg1 Re6
25. Qd3 b5
26. b4 Rg6+
27. Rg3 Rxg3+
28. fxg3 Qc1+
29. Kf2 Qb2+
30. Kf3 Qxa2
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I've put the game into the analysis tool here, and that is the result. I will show some obvious bad moves as well.
Just to add however, the position in the end is probably a draw according to the engine, sure black is better, a pawn up and with seemingly a more active queen, but if some pawns get traded off, queen vs queen and a pawn is really difficult to win. And except for b4, it is not easy to target white's pawns. That being said, in a practical game, I admit that I could easily lose this game (from both positions because I am a patzer), but the engine says -0.3 or something.
As for the game itself, here are some mistakes:
How can you properly call a move that happened 23 moves ago that didn't change the eval but led down a certain path a "mistake."
In this game, Leela makes just an amazing piece sacrifice early in the game that Stockfish thinks is completely winning for the fish. The move ties up Stockfish's pieces for the entire game, even though the entire world looks at that move and thinks it's a ???.
Now, in any other world, this move is a blunder and would lead to a loss, but how on earth can you possibly say that Stockfish made a mistake when in 99.99999% of master games the sac would lead to a loss? It seems to be stretching the definition of mistake.
The ONLY way you classify Stockfish's move a mistake is by looking at the *outcome* not the decision. The decision Stockfish made was a good one, it was just outplayed by some ridiculous AI.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-vNq61KfLs