heinzie wrote:
Btw it's normal for Fritz programs to shatter your dreams of Chess Mastery
Yup. Fritz has over and over told me how much of a chess idiot I am. You begin to believe it after a while LOL
Is there a hole in Fritz-12?
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Sep 16, 2010
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ChessMarkstheSpot wrote:
heinzie wrote:
Btw it's normal for Fritz programs to shatter your dreams of Chess Mastery
Yup. Fritz has over and over told me how much of a chess idiot I am. You begin to believe it after a while LOL
LOL, exactly!
I had it analyse my position after i actually beat the damned thing for the first time. Anyhow... One move prior to my mating move it basically said "you're toast".
Don't trust the machines. The machines are evil.
theres a few endgame positions that i have seen engines calculate incorrectly and normally there is very little reference material for it and its usually #15 or more with zugzwang involved. From what i've heard they cut the lines they consider 'bad', for example the Tal/Karpov/Kasparov puzzle in the puzzle forum Fritz doesnt recognize a forced win for several moves. Someone else posted some puzzles the engines cant solve that were really cool. If it finds a line really bad losing a lot of material it sometimes wont pursue the moves further down the line which is why it will never ever see the forced win - until you take it into those lines and it has to calculate them - then it goes "..whoops..".. I'm sure you can adjust the settings to make it run like, every variation available but it will take significantly longer to calculate the position.
Bottom line the engines arent perfect, but they still kick our ass so if it messes up on a few endgames im certainly not one to criticize its quality.
fritz has a "cut bad lines" button in the settings. If you turn it on,you will speed up an analysis,because you relieved the engine from unnecesarry work. Sometimes it will mean that the engine will discard the winning line as "bad".
Just tested it now. Nothing is wrong with evalution from Fritz 12. Kf7 is a draw at plain 0, and Bc2 is blunder with evaluation 13(decisive advantage for white). Text evaluation is also OK, with "throws away the game" for Bc2+, and "the only rescuing move" for Kf7. So the only error is in a particular text which is in a wrong repository (for losing moves). Instead, this text should be in comments repository for "slipping from win to a draw and/or loss". Could also be a translation error as paul noticed. :-)
Sep 16, 2010
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Dragec wrote:
fritz has a "cut bad lines" button in the settings. If you turn it on,you will speed up an analysis,because you relieved the engine from unnecesarry work. Sometimes it will mean that the engine will discard the winning line as "bad".
Where is that button? I just looked in the settings and didn't see it.
It's in the "deep position analysis". There's no "cut bad lines" in blunder check and full analysis.
Hey bro, how are you doing? nice discussion. Now, I know I remenber this line. Give me a call when you a chance...