Is this gambit sound?does it have a name?

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Mebeme

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Mebeme
i think it almost forces Nxe4 (a bump in disguiseCool)
honorius

i don't think d4 is a good move. it doesn't result in any opening book i've looked so far.

i think white's best third move is e5 threatening black's knight.

black moves knight to d5 and only then you push yout pawn to d4 and make the pawn exchange.


Mebeme

like this ?/:


sstteevveenn
yes, 3.e5 is the only book move I believe.  3.d4 looks like a blunder. 
Mebeme

well, is this sound?/:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


sstteevveenn

no not really, and yes but not good.  In the first example book is 3.PxP QxP and then either Nf3 or d4.  The second example is like an advance french but black hasnt blocked in his bishop.  The french is tough at the best of times.  No need to make it any better!


sstteevveenn
"In a gambit, you give up a pawn for the sake of getting a lost game."
Baseballfan
What you are showing is similar to the Smith-Morra Gambit, of which the "accepted" version looks like this. Is it sound? Its hard to say, but I know I've played it on this very site more than once with a good deal of success.
Loomis

First, in the game of the original post, no pawn is yet gambitted. If black plays 3. Nxe4 white can regain the pawn by taking on c5. White can, if he chooses, gambit a pawn by, for example, 3. ... Nxe4 4. Bd3 Nf6 5. Nf3.

 

Second, I don't see how this resembles the Smith-Morra since after 3. ... cxd4 white can play 4. e5 Nd5 5. cxd4. I think black will not typically play Nf6 against the Morra when white can play e5.

 

Lastly, I think given the previous that 3. d4 is just a weird move order to get to 3. e5 Nd5 4. d4. If you're playing it as a gambit, it seems like white is passing up other better moves and I don't see the compensation.


leo8160
this is not a gambit since white threat to capture an undefended pawn
Ricardo_Morro
Yes, it is a gambit because White's capture of Black's queen bishop pawn is worthless; that pawn cannot be kept.
gabrielconroy
If black's taken on e4, then taking the pawn on c5 won't last long since the knight can just re-take on the next move.
Loomis

gabriel, 3. ... Nxe4 4. f3 Nf6 5. dxc5 and a later b4 to secure the c5 pawn. I am not advocating this line of play as better than some others, but it shows that white hasn't yet given up the pawn if he chooses not to.


Ricardo_Morro

After, say 5. ... e6 to attack the c5 pawn and 6. b4 to secure the c5 pawn, Black will shred White's Q-side pawns with a5 and b6. After the destruction of White's Q-side formation, Black will be left with preponderance in the center, perhaps even a supported passed pawn if he plays his cards right. That's why I think the c5 pawn cannot be held.


Smartattack

I just lost a game on that variant some weeks ago here at chess.com

 


Th3ChessViking

Why go out of your way to lose a pawn in the opening with white?


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normajeanyates

unsound. Morra is itself unsound: this is a very unsound morra-declined. More like hanging your e-pawn than like a gambit.