King's Gambit Question For The Black Pieces In This Line

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pfren wrote:
ponz111 έγραψε:

If you wish to defeat the Kings Gambit don't play 2. ... d5.   In the line shown Black should conmsider playing 5. ... c6!?

 

 

I disagree. The line played (2...d5 3.exd5 exf4) is a great, uncomplicated practical choice, and I have also scored well with 2...d5 3.exd5 c6.

I do not gibvve a damn if the engine says "equal"- I get a rational position where it's easy to play actively as Black.

+1, I play those lines too happy.png

Oh, and i also played a3 online for a good chunk of time. What matters isn't whether or not you get a winning position out of the opening, but a position you're comfortable with playing. @ponz111

kaukasar
pfren wrote:

The line played (2...d5 3.exd5 exf4) is a great, uncomplicated practical choice, and I have also scored well with 2...d5 3.exd5 c6.

I do not gibvve a damn if the engine says "equal"- I get a rational position where it's easy to play actively as Black.

What do you think about playing 2...d5 3.exd5 e4, pushing forward instead of taking the f4 pawn? I have faced it a couple of times as white, but i never faced someone taking my f4 pawn as part of falkbeer gambit.

congrandolor
kaukasar wrote:
pfren wrote:

The line played (2...d5 3.exd5 exf4) is a great, uncomplicated practical choice, and I have also scored well with 2...d5 3.exd5 c6.

I do not gibvve a damn if the engine says "equal"- I get a rational position where it's easy to play actively as Black.

What do you think about playing 2...d5 3.exd5 e4, pushing forward instead of taking the f4 pawn? I have faced it a couple of times as white, but i never faced someone taking my f4 pawn as part of falkbeer gambit.

I asked the same on comment #17.

pfren
kaukasar έγραψε:
pfren wrote:

The line played (2...d5 3.exd5 exf4) is a great, uncomplicated practical choice, and I have also scored well with 2...d5 3.exd5 c6.

I do not gibvve a damn if the engine says "equal"- I get a rational position where it's easy to play actively as Black.

What do you think about playing 2...d5 3.exd5 e4, pushing forward instead of taking the f4 pawn? I have faced it a couple of times as white, but i never faced someone taking my f4 pawn as part of falkbeer gambit.

 

This is the old way to handle the position. It may work fine against a weak player (pretty much like any dubious line), but objectively speaking, Black has problems after 4.d3.

Still, you can find a few games between very strong players featuring 3...e4, but all of them are short games (rapid & blitz).

Optimissed

Firstly, I should say that 5.Ke2 is terrible and after such a mistake as 4. c4, white must play 5.g3 ...fg 6.Nf3. I think there's a refutation.

There's no point in playing Bg4+ and black's bishop belongs on f5, because that is the diagonal white is weak on and that's the refutation. 

pfren
Optimissed έγραψε:

Firstly, I should say that 5.Ke2 is terrible and after such a mistake as 4. c4, white must play 5.g3 ...fg 6.Nf3. I think there's a refutation.

There's no point in playing Bg4+ and black's bishop belongs on f5, because that is the diagonal white is weak on and that's the refutation. 

 

The first one is beginner's level: after 6...g2+ Black emerges a whole rook up for nothing. 5.Ke2 is forced.

Second one, the bishop stands absolutely great at g4.

kaukasar
pfren wrote:
kaukasar έγραψε:

What do you think about playing 2...d5 3.exd5 e4, pushing forward instead of taking the f4 pawn? I have faced it a couple of times as white, but i never faced someone taking my f4 pawn as part of falkbeer gambit.

 

This is the old way to handle the position. It may work fine against a weak player (pretty much like any dubious line), but objectively speaking, Black has problems after 4.d3.

 

Hm, i got some analysis to do to find out what kind of problems black has after 4. d3. In my last game i played 4. Nc3. I lost the game but i don't think it was because of my opening choice but a blunder later on.