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Morphy was about as good of a chess player as Greco.
You gotta get me some of what you're smoking.
Greco has a 100% winning percentage.
He was the number one player of the 17th century.
Nobody knows Greco winning percentage. The general belief is that the games found in his book are mostly made up for teaching purposes. he was probably the greatest player of the time, but since the opposition mostly consisted of very weak players, it's no surprise that morphy games are more fascinating for us.
"he was probably the greatest player of the time, but since the opposition mostly consisted of very weak players, it's no surprise that morphy games are more fascinating for us. "
That's a bit ironic, don't you think?
Morphy didn't have weak competition?
His opponents didn't really bother to defend.
Those who think Greco has or had a 100% winning percentage are clearly not using their critical thinking skills.
Gioachino Greco Number of games in database: 79Years covered: 1590 to 1625Overall record: +79 -0 =0 (100.0%)* * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games Based on games in the database; may be incomplete.
Oh, really? so morphy's opponents usually played like this?
Seriously speaking, Morphy played many strong professionals in his life. Just to nema a few, Paulsen and Anderssen among others were both at least IM strenght players which would have chrushed people like me and you at knight handicap.
I do not use the Morphy games as examples to my students. While Morphy's play was very high class, even with the current standards, most of his opponents were very weak.
I do start the classics presentation from Steinitz, but I will certainly mock at the O.T. (original troll) of this thread anytime.
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How can he be a great player if all his games are based on luck? His attacks have no poison to them. All of his games are easily refuted. You can't say the same for Steinitz or Lasker. Steinitz was far more precise, and his attack are not easy to refute. He saw farther ahead.
Ya know, Yereslov is probably right, Steinitz almost certainly did play more brilliancies than Morphy. But then again, he also played far more games than Morphy ever did.
Going through Morphy's games is like going through game after game of a 2350 tactical monster at a Renaissance Festival. The games are usually short and brutal. Every now and again, Morphy faced strong opponents, and did pretty well. But the majority of his brilliancies were against weaker opponents.
If you believe Jeff Sonas, Paul Morphy played at 2743 strength. But in order to believe that, you must also believe that Serafino Dubois was +2640 strength.
Steinitz and Dubois played a match which Steinitz won, 5.5-3.5. Compare the quality of this match to the quality of any +2500 rated player today.
Take a look at these two games from the match.
The point isn't to denigrate the great players of the past. The point is that today's chess professionals who eat, drink, sleep, and defecate chess, and who have learned from the past masters, are just worlds better than those who played in the 19th Century.
Unlike Pfren, I do use a few Morphy games to demonstrate some basics such as how to develop with tempo. But like Pfren, most of my examples are more modern. And Steinitz, who was contemporary with Morphy but continued to improve long after "the pride and sorrow" left the game, helped to create a scientific revolution in chess.
You said 11.Rxe6 was a blunder(signified by the double question mark) and said the move leads to an equality.
->If it leads to an equality doesn't mean it's a blunder(or else 1 . e4 is a blunder. so is 1...e5 and so is almost every move in chess)
->Your alternate verion isn't any better either.
Why is 14.Qe2 a blunder??
In your alternate version ..the 19.Ke8 line..plain sight tells us you are giving up the rook advantage you just got and a amateur wouldn't want that. and why would white play 23.Re1??giving away the knight because you feel like it???
what are you talking about???
Which game are you referring to, and which post?
The first one.
Hell hath no fury like a 900-rated patzer with an engine.
what's a patzer?
"Another terrible move from the so-called "great" Morphy. Yet again he displays his misunderstanding of attack."
"Patzer" is a colloquial chess term from German, that designates a weak club player who usually believes he is stronger than he really is. See for instance the proverb "patzer sees check, patzer plays check".
does that include guys like me who are rated low 1300s who can take on guys that are 1600 OTB, acquire a winning position, and then completely blow it?
It's not really about how strong the player is on an absolute scale, but compared to the audience... I could call you a patzer, but any decent player would call me a patzer too.
It's also a matter of arrogance - usually the patzer believes he is stronger than he really is. That's the difference between a "patzer" and a "beginner".
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