lol...I have no idea what you're talking about. 18 f4 does nothing. If you're not going to listen to advice, then don't ask for it.
My first chess game in a while.


To be perfectly honest, AndyClifton, I'm simply saying what I think are the pros and cons of your suggested move, but it was probably THE BEST MOVE I could've made in that position, so I do very much appreciate your advice.

Well, Snar, white could've moved his knight to b5 if I didn't do anything about it, and then on the next move, he could've taken my pawn on c7 with his bishop and forced my queen to move, or worse, he could've taken my pawn with his knight, forcing my king to move. This would've been unavoidable as both the bishop and the knight would've been defending each other. In the latter case, my king would be stuck in the center, unable to castle, for probably the rest of the game. Though with what this explanation, "white attempted to pin my queen" was pretty inaccurate. Sorry about that.

Actually, in both cases, by queen could've taken one attacking piece, but not without being taken back by the other.

Now that you mention it, AndyClifton, 17.Bg4 seems pretty strong as the queen's bishop is pinning white's knight to his queen and attcking the knight that cuased me so much trouble in the following moves, the one on h5, but white's next move, 18.f4 brings it's strength into question, becuase in exchange, white's attacking my king's bishop. Also, if I take white's other knight with my bishop, white simply has to move his queen to d2 and then he can still castle queenside without interference. Nonetheless, the move is strong, and I could've saved myself a lot of the trouble white caused me for not making the move in the long run, but white would've been able to bring me a few new troubles in the moves afterwards.
After 18.f4 black to move.

I would have lost a bishop, but in exchange, I would have taken BOTH of white's knights. Wafflemaster, thank u VERY MUCH for showing me that.

Thank u all very much for the advice you've given. Now I just have one last question, what do u guys think of how both sides played the game SO FAR as a WHOLE?

Well, Snar, white could've moved his knight to b5 if I didn't do anything about it, and then on the next move, he could've taken my pawn on c7 with his bishop and forced my queen to move, or worse, he could've taken my pawn with his knight, forcing my king to move. This would've been unavoidable as both the bishop and the knight would've been defending each other. In the latter case, my king would be stuck in the center, unable to castle, for probably the rest of the game. Though with what this explanation, "white attempted to pin my queen" was pretty inaccurate. Sorry about that.
it's not forced, if he had a free move and played nb5, you could defend with either Bd6, or e5. I like e5 because it gites you the complete center, the initiave, and gives him badly placed pieces

Thank u all very much for the advice you've given. Now I just have one last question, what do u guys think of how both sides played the game SO FAR as a WHOLE?
Not sure what kind of answer you're looking for here... I mean, by what standards do you want the game judged by? As a professional game it was an embarrassment :p As a beginner game it was very good.
So the players are somewhere in between... hope that helps lol :)

I want the game judged based on how many mistakes both sides made, and how those mistakes affected the game. Also, I want it judged based on the positions reached throughout the game, and how well both sides played in general. Though I think your judgement is pretty accurate, wafflemaster.

I think you were too cautious in the opening. IMO need more principled play. Grab some center and minimize pawn moves. Get your pieces out and castle. That sorta thing.
Black dropped a piece, and it was good of you to see the bishop was trapped. After that you pushed him around, but seems you didn't have the correct evaluation (i.e. didn't know how overwhelming your position was).
Oh, this was the game where the poster lost. (You want us to evaluate only the part of the game you were doing well ;)
Ok, so it seems to be true you weren't able to evaluate it. You didn't know how to consolidate your position. That is to say, you were two pieces up, but you're not required to find a mate, just keep everything defended and eventually you'll win based on having more pieces and his exposed king.
Moves like g5 and b5 are poor form in general IMO, leaving all those squares behind (resulting in an exposed king and backward c pawn for example) and is probably how white came back to win. Now you definitely were winning, but you gave unnecessary chances because making one move threats feels good :p
White's play didn't have any direction either really. He made some one move threats, and dropped some pieces.
Now that you mention it, AndyClifton, 17.Bg4 seems pretty strong as the queen's bishop is pinning white's knight to his queen and attcking the knight that cuased me so much trouble in the following moves, the one on h5, but white's next move, 18.f4 brings it's strength into question, becuase in exchange, white's attacking my king's bishop. Also, if I take white's other knight with my bishop, white simply has to move his queen to d2 and then he can still castle queenside without interference. Nonetheless, the move is strong, and I could've saved myself a lot of the trouble white caused me for not making the move in the long run, but white would've been able to bring me a few new troubles in the moves afterwards.