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fredster50

I won this game against the highest rated player I have ever beaten, but I was wondering if there was any errors from either player etc...??? any comment would be very appreciated

 


Loomis

White's plan at move 9 is wrong. He should instead play 9. Rb1 and follow up with b4-b5 to create weaknesses in your queenside pawn structure.  Look up "Minority Attack" for a more in depth discussion of this plan.

 

White shouldn't willingly trade his kingside pieces. He left his king with no defenders. This makes black's job easy since in this pawn structure black will be naturally attacking on the kingside.

 

Finally white makes a tactical error at 22. Ne5 this simply loses a piece since after 22. ... Rxe5 the rook cannot be captured due to the forced mate that follows.

 

9. ... a6 seems unncessary at the time, you can probably move forward with a more active plan at that time. 

 

17. ... Qa5 doesn't look right to me. It ignores the threat of 18. f3 forking the knight and bishop. Maybe you had a response to this, but you didn't annotate so who knows. Also, your queen is going to the wrong side of the board. White bails you out by taking the e4 knight and clearing the 5th rank allowing you to transfer your queen to the kingside easily. A prefer a plan of pushing the f-pawn to f4 to open central lines since your opponent is focused on the queenside.


Graw81

Whites 9th move; Rc1 is definatley inferior to Rb1. As Loomis said, white should set up a pawn minority attack. This is a key idea in the QGD exchange variation for white. How an 1800 player is not aware of this is beyond me. White didnt play this game correctly at all. Hes not 1800. He planned to double rooks on the c file to bite on c6. come on now. This is poor. It would be difficult to say that black had to work hard to get the win.

 

Well done fredster50. 


fredster50
thank you very much and i will look into white's mistakes but can you find any weaknesses in black's moves?
missileman22
Sorry, but i dont get it why white resigned...Undecided
fredster50
because when king takes queen black plays Rd1** (checkmate)!
Loomis
fredster50 wrote: thank you very much and i will look into white's mistakes but can you find any weaknesses in black's moves?

 I gave you some that yo haven't responded to. Why not post a game you lost if you want people to look for mistakes in your play?


fredster50

oh yes sorry loomis

i have just submitted one which I have lost on the game analysis forum (called: An Interesting Game) 


sstteevveenn
The simple answer to the why would an 1800 player play like this, is that it is chess.com 1800. 
fredster50
i know haha
fredster50
that does not work because white can just blcok the queen's protection and then you end up with the bishop being attacked by the pawn and the knight being attacked by the rook at the same time and you have lost a piece!
grolich

Other than what has already been said here,

 

a) The normal reply to 12...Ng6 is the 13.f4 buildup in such position. Weakening the e4 square and all... It is still probably the strongest. White's position is the superior one. Actually I think black is already in some difficulty if white plays this:

First of all black probably does not want to take: 13...Nxe5 14.fxe5 Nd7 15.Bxe7  Qxe7 16.e4 (or 15...Rxe7 (if e4 now, Qb6), 16.Qh5). that would be great for white.

 

Also, occupying e4 would require preparation. So white seems to just have a nice advantage. All this makes me believe that black's exact piece setup is a bit suspicious here. I wonder how it may be improved in earlier moves.

 

b) I don't like 17.Rc2. Anyway, if white wants to use this rook (not that I'm saying it's necessarily best to do this immediately, although it may be), how about 17.Bxe4 dxe4 18.Rc5!? looks like a strange position for this rook, but it gets into the game, white's position still looks a lot more comfortable than black's to me, and there's no way to exploit the rook's placement.  Just a thought.

 

Black's queenside structure is completely frozen in all of these positions. I think it's very nice. I admit it looks stranger than Rc2, but the rook has more options and its position cannot be exploited, as far as I can see.

 c) So, white had an perfectly reasonable position for so long (even if he made a few seemingly strange decisions, as others have pointed out), and he went terribly wrong with a couple of moves: 

22. Ne5, which allows Rxe5. (It may actually be that without help, black cannot generate threats fast enough, if that is true, 22.Qb6 is interesting. It requires some analysis though, so I won't recommend it without analyzing it).

 

d) 22.Ne5 may be a terrible move, but white may have been able to wind black up a bit more with 22...Rxe5 23.Qxb7!?  I think that to maintain an easy win black has to retreat with Re8.

 

Now, Bf3 gxf3 exf3 doesn't work after Rg1 (I think it leads to a draw by perpetual after Bf3 gxf3 Qf5),

the rook is still under attack, so where should it go? if it tries 23...Rf5 then 24.Qxc6

And if the a6 pawn falls too, the position becomes complex again. Note that just switching gears to defending that pawn with

24...Ra5 allows the cute: 25.Qa8+ Kh7 26.Rc8 1-0:)

Defending with Rf6 allows  Qe8 followed by Rfc1 (threatening ...Rc8!). I think it's again a very bizzare and complicated position. White is a piece down for only two pawns, but it's far from easy to win (if at all possible) for black.

 

So the rook has to be saved a different way. 

Rf6 Rxc6 leads to another very complex position. Black has some problems realizing his advantage there I think. with two pawns for the piece, a weak black pawn on a6, a protected passed pawn already, and another potential one on the queenside, black will need to be accurate for a few moves to win this.

I think Rook back to e8 is the best. 23...Re8 24.Qxc6 Rc8 25.Qa4 This actually looks like an easier time to win than the others. Black can easily simplify before white has any serious chances on his a6 pawn, and cruises on. 

 

The question is, can black notice that in a real game?  

Obviously better than dxe5 in my opinion :) 

 

Nice way to end the game, by the way. 


grolich
fredster50 wrote: that does not work because white can just blcok the queen's protection and then you end up with the bishop being attacked by the pawn and the knight being attacked by the rook at the same time and you have lost a piece!

 Nope. Seems like the...Nd2 idea vs. f3 works! Black doesn't lose a piece there.

18.f3 Nd2. white can't block with anything but the queen because his queen is hanging, so

19. Qb4? Qxb4 20.axb4 Nxf1 (the rook is hanging too...

Now if you take the bishop, Nxe3, and if you take the knight, the bishop is saved. black is winning on material.

 

However, after 18.f3 Nd2, there is 19.Qb6! (make sure the a8 rook is hanging in the end as well, if black exchanges queens)

 

I think black's best is: 19...Qxb6 20.Nxb6 Nxf1 21.Kxf1 Rae8 22.fxg5 Rxe3.

 

Isn't that just a complicated position? (I think white is better, but with those active rooks, I'm not entirely sure).