Playing g5 as black, or b4?

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GarryCasperov

I actually thought of g5, but I couldn't see a continuation. Even after the game, I don't see Stockfish lines helpful to understand why g5 is good. The other option is b4, but that also leads to g5. The idea I had was to incorporate a rook lift, which is probably not the right time for a rook lift. So, how can I understand the queenside pawn situation and advance the g pawn? Or is there something else I should have thought about?

 

 

GarryCasperov

You got to look at multiple moves, not just one. What next? b4 is still going to be played.

jtmccann15
G5 is great cuz if b4 then you ignore it and go g4 and white loses a piece or gets mated
jtmccann15
If knight moves you push g3 and you threaten mate attacking rook
jtmccann15
What would you play if I was black here and you were white and I pushed g5? Cuz Honestly I don’t see any good options for white once g5 is played with the intent of storming. From my eyes white is about to have a very bad day lol
blueemu

I have trouble getting past 4. ... d6. Doesn't that lose quickly to 5. Ng5?

jtmccann15
😂 yeah that would be pretty tough to defend. Might not be completely losing
jtmccann15
^^^ to blue
GarryCasperov
blueemu wrote:

I have trouble getting past 4. ... d6. Doesn't that lose quickly to 5. Ng5?

 

Well, since you asked.....

 

I played a game not much earlier where I should have played d6. I know it means nothing in this game, but I did it more out of training purposes to get that d6 in before Na5. I will deal with that later when I play stronger players who catch me on. I figured I need to get in the habit of d6 to protect the e5 pawn first. 

If that is the key difference in the g5 b4 question, then ok I won't play d6 like that. However, is there anything useful to learn from the position I asked about in the OP? I thought maybe some pawn principles on the queenside and kingside attacking ideas could be learned.

 

We can always complain about earlier moves, but let's look at the position at hand and decide if it is worth looking at. My opponent didn't catch the earlier moves and it looks like I made a fundamental mistake in not playing g5 or b4. I didn't understand and I still don't how to deal with that position. So, if there is anything to address with that position, let's go over that. I know the d6 was inferior but that doesn't seem to address the g5 and b4 question.

blueemu

Yes, so Black either ends up a Pawn down with his light squares naked, or goes into a Fried Liver a whole move behind.

Either alternative seems lost.

drmrboss

jtmccann15 wrote:
G5 is great cuz if b4 then you ignore it and go g4 and white loses a piece or gets mated

There is no mate or lose piece after g5.( g5 is a good move though)

 

21. g5 Ng1

22. g4 Rc2

23. g3 h3 ( You cant sacrifice bishop on h3 because it is double protected with g pawn and kt).

 

Better move is , b4 then g5. ( b4 fixed rook mobility as she no longer need to protect "a5 pawn", and doesnt lose any tempo.

 

In general, a forced move without losing tempo and improve in position is first priority. 

jtmccann15
Good idea with knight takes pawn, but it doesn’t work. Before I take the knight I chase the queen around with b4. Changes the position. Wouldn’t be compensation for the knight so still winning for black if black finishes properly.
blueemu
GarryCasperov wrote:

We can always complain about earlier moves, but let's look at the position at hand and decide if it is worth looking at. My opponent didn't catch the earlier moves and it looks like I made a fundamental mistake in not playing g5 or b4. I didn't understand and I still don't how to deal with that position. So, if there is anything to address with that position, let's go over that. I know the d6 was inferior but that doesn't seem to address the g5 and b4 question.

I would favor g5 instead of b4. You should be playing on the side of the board where you have the advantage. From that perspective, there were probably some Q-side moves that should have been avoided, instead playing on the K-side.

The only reason I might play b4 would be to prevent Qxa5 in reply to g5, Ra7-g7.

jtmccann15
Both are good I think. Btw I just realized I might have been a bit confusing. What I originally said was if black goes g5 and if white doesn’t defend this and pushes b4 instead then white is screwed 😂
blueemu
December_TwentyNine wrote:

I just move the Bishop out of the way to connect the Rooks.

Why?

After g5, shouldn't the a8-Rook enter the game via Ra7-g7?

jtmccann15
I would personally wait to move that rook. Depending on what white plays...I would probably be lifting the other rook to f6 soon like the OP did. But I would do g5 first and see how white plays.
jtmccann15
I do like R g7 though. You’re probably right that’s pretty strong. Black has a lot of good options
blueemu
jtmccann15 wrote:
I do like R g7 though. You’re probably right that’s pretty strong. Black has a lot of good options

You might even get the best of both worlds with something like Ra7, Rf6, Qf8 and Rg7.

blueemu
December_TwentyNine wrote:

Well Sweetie Pie, I am glad that the OP is also a sweetie pie to be so nice to allow all of us to comment, and to provide our analysis of the game in question. I've met some very angry OP's who've made some personal attacks on me....and all I did was comment on there games!!!

Yeah, I saw that one.

jtmccann15
Can I give you some advice? And I promise I’m not trying to be rude...but you probably shouldn’t be analyzing people’s games. Asking questions and learning...that’s what you should be doing. Me too for that matter, but definitely you lol. No offense