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Ladya79

This. 

 

 
 
 
I need help. Any advice besides "stop sucking," "quit playing this guy," "don't play the Scheveningen," or "all of the above"?
 
TalSpin

When you already see an attack steamrolling you and you go king side anyway... Next time it's coming that quick, try 0-0-0 and get your king to be or a1. It's a completely different plan, but your king won't be under so much pressure so fast.

Sqod

I agree with jhubchess: that's called "castling into it" when you see an attack starting on your kingside and then you castle into the attack anyway. Obviously that's not a wise thing to do. That's like seeing an angry mob gathering in front of a store and deciding to go ahead and go shopping at that store anyway.

 

I don't know the Scheveningen, but in the Najdorf, Black plays ...a6 followed by ...b5, then often fianchettoes via ...Bb7 and follows with an attack on the c3 knight via ...b4. Here you started with the very passive ...b6, so you didn't have much of a counterattack while giving White a head start on a kingside attack.

10...Nxd4 didn't look right, either. In the opening Black is struggling to keep up with White in development, especially in the Sicilian since in that opening White is always threatening to get the upper hand in the center, so such an exchange loses a tempo while letting White centralize one of his pieces. Something like ...Qc7 while continuing development was probably called for.

13...Nc5 is similar: you're moving the same piece twice in the opening before getting developed.

Basically it looked like most your units were in the wrong places, starting with your king.

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(p. 182)
SICILIAN DEFENCE
(1 P-K4, P-QB4)

MENTIONED by Polerio in 1594, given its name by the Italian master
Greco in the seventeenth century, the Sicilian received its earliest
practical tests and a big boost in popularity in the MacDonnell-La
Bourdonnais match (1834), Staunton v. St. Amant match (1843), and
the great London Tournament of 1851. Since then it has experienced
repeated refutations and rehabilitations. But "age cannot wither nor
custom stale its infinite variety." Barely a year passes which does not
cause us to re-evaluate some variation. Today the defence is a regular
in every tournament, and one should refrain from 1 P-K4 unless
prepared to confront it.
The Sicilian owes most of its effectiveness to the semi-open Queen's
Bishop's file produced after White plays P-Q4 and the inevitable
exchange of pawns. With 1...P-QB4
Black immediately puts pressure on the Queen's
flanks and plans complete liberation with ...
P-Q4. The move also strikes at Q5 and
QN5, half opens a file and frees the Queen.
From the strategical point of view the Sicilian
has the advantage of allowing a large choice of
pawn-configurations. Moreover it avoids pre-
pared variations and certain drawing openings
like the Giuoco Piano and Four Knight's Game.
The dominant theme is struggle--in the opening,
in the middle-game--hardly suitable for those who wish to play for
a draw. The greatest danger is that White will get the upper hand
in the centre and then break through with a winning attack on the
King's side. By and large the end-game tends to favour Black since
White often weakens his position by early, ambitious King's-side pawn
advances. The Sicilian is Black's most dynamic, asymmetrical reply to
1 P-K4. It produces the psychological and tension factors which
denote the best in modern play and gives notice of a fierce fight on the
very first move.

Evans, Larry, and Walter Korn. 1965. Modern Chess Openings, 10th Edition. New York: Pitman Publishing Corporation.

jonnin

if this guy is your friend, why not ask for teachings as you play instead of just getting creamed.   This game is pretty much what happens when a 1000 plays a 2000, and there isn't any advice in the world that is going to let you start winning against a 2000 any time soon.  The usual answers really are the place to start ... learn opening theory, practice tactics, practice the game generally.   But you have an opportunity here to learn from someone who can teach you a ton, if this person is a buddy or something. 

Sqod

I used this opportunity to learn a little about the Scheveningen Variation, especially where Black should castle. It seems to depend upon the attack that White chooses at the 6th move. I looked only at the most popular lines. In the Keres Attack--the same attack used by White in the posted game--White is obviously attacking on the kingside, so Black (eventually) castles on the queenside. The Classical Variation is tamer because White castles on the kingside, so Black can safely do the same, right away. The English Attack is sort of a mixture: White castles queenside and attacks kingside, but not as quickly, and in the most popular line Black doesn't castle at all, but recaptures a pawn at f7 with his king. One thing odd about this defense is that Black often delays the decision of where to castle for an unusually long time.

 

1. e4 c5 {Sicilian Defense.}
2. Nf3 {'Heijmans Attack.'} d6 {"Van Wely Defense."}
3. d4 cxd4
4. Nxd4 {"Jansa Attack."} Nf6 {"Gelfand Defense."}
5. Nc3 e6 {Scheveningen Variation.}

 

6. Be2 {Classical Variation, q.v. #1 pop. n 34%.}
6. g4 {Keres Attack, q.v. #2 pop. w 45%.}
6. Be3 {English Attack, q.v. #3 pop. w 39%.}
6. Bc4 {Fischer-Sozin Attack. #4 pop. b 38%.}
6. f4 {Tal Variation. #5 pop. w 41%.}
6. Bg5 {"Yeo Attack." #6 pop. b 57%.}

 

                                                                      Keres Attack:

 
Classical Variation:
 
 
English Attack:
 
thegreat_patzer

 playing a 2000 player is to be playing someone much more accomplished and presumably stronger.

 

perhaps if you played against someone closer in rating the game would be more of a fair fight.

 

on the other hand, there is value to playing a very strong player.  just don't get too upset about losing.

CoffehCat

 I wouldn't say give up - or stop 'sucking'; even the winner of the recent TCEC, stockfish 8, managed to make a mess of a very similar line, losing its final game of the super final (and it was given a 3228 rating). Whilst personally, I'm unfamiliar with the position, judging from the kibitzing that was going on at the time, the losing decision was mainly considered to be its choice in castling king-side (a point re-inforced by the comments above). So with that being said, I think you needed to generate more counter-play on the queenside, without the fatalistic O-O. Perhaps developing pieces there along the lines of the aforementioned game, with a6, b5 gaining more space (and more so restricting white): 

 

 

 

FantasticMrFoxy

Stop sucking and try harder.

blueemu

One option that often comes up for Black in these open Sicilian lines... more so in the Najdorf than in the Scheveningen... is for Black to keep his King in the center for a long time and only castle once his counter-attack against the White King is already underway.

I've had several Sicilian games where I didn't castle until move 25 or so (if at all).

knig22 wrote:

I don't think you played so badly, but Rxf3 seems to me like final mistake, better hxg6.

Bc4+ looks crushing.