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avi97

This was a blitz game and i made a move that was so accurate that even the engines considered it WRONG. look how coordinated my pieces are and there is only one possible solution to get a slight advantage. I made this move mainly because i know people cant think that fast in a blitz game and knowing there is one solution out of over 10 is highly unlikely. Im talking 1 point material advantage for one solution 

F0T0T0

Well played.

Is the move 19..Qf6  ??

What engine do you use? the chess.com one?

What did it tell black to play after that move?

JMB2010

I'm pretty sure the engine knows better than you do what is a good move and what isn't. And Nxf7 was unsound...

gimmewuchagot

It's not a breakthrough. A man name Mikhail Tal already perfected this style of chess, 50 years ago.

avi97

nxf7 is a very sound move. Unlike you, i dont depend everything on the engine  if you can come up with a good move in human perspective in under  5 mins i really want to know. i was using houdini and the best solution came up as -1 and i agree tal did have a agressive style and qf6 wasnt the right move

x-5058622868

If there is a correct play by black, and black could at least equalize, then i wouldn't say the engines are wrong. That would be like saying the main lines are wrong because offbeat variations work.

JMB2010
gimmewuchagot wrote:

It's not a breakthrough. A man name Mikhail Tal already perfected this style of chess, 50 years ago.

You mean this guy?

 
Tongue Out
 
And Petrosian perfected it...
 



JMB2010
avi97 wrote:

nxf7 is a very sound move. Unlike you, i dont depend everything on the engine  if you can come up with a good move in human perspective in under  5 mins i really want to know. i was using houdini and the best solution came up as -1 and i agree tal did have a agressive style and qf6 wasnt the right move

First I looked at it from a human perspective (no engine). My intuition told me it was unsound. Turns out I was right. And if that is your definition, you should say "Nxf7 is unsound, but a good practical human choice." Don't say the engines are wrong and you made a breakthrough, that's ridiculous.

TheGrobe

You know, every time someone comes in here claiming to have found a revolutionary breakthrough, it turns out to be neither.

If it's so superior to the assesment engines give then you should be able to play it and win reliably against engines.

The proof is in the pudding.

bigpoison

The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

The shortened version of that saying has never made a damn' bit of sense to me.

TheGrobe

Yeah, you know, it is silly isn't it.  I've never found anything but pudding in my pudding, and I'm thankful for it.

avi97

It took houdini so many ply's just to figure out the best move in this position. In a blitz game, say i had this position against houdini with 5 mins of thinking, how exactly can he come to one solution in this position. It is highly unlikely and ridiculous. Even if you looked at Tal's sacrifices, if you analyze it with an engine you could say tal's a terrible player because with best play he will lose the game. If anyone honestly believes every single sacrifices he made impacted the game in a positive manner is crazy. 

TBentley
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TeraHammer

omg a sac on f7! id never thought that could work!

avi97

you didnt calculate anything and nice engine use random nice one

avi97

didnt i mention previously thats the only move that worked. try finding that in a blitz game buddy

JMB2010

lol

TBentley

For move 22, at 17 ply, Houdini 1.5 gives 7 moves with at least a 1.5 pawn advantage to black: Bc7, Bb8, Rf7, Rd7, Rc7, Nf6, Qe8

F0T0T0

I don't see how this is revolutionary.

and what's wrong with Qf6?

avi97
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