Here's a nice stunt you can pull off with white. [1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. d4 exd4 5. Ng5 Nh6 6. Nxf7 Nxf7 7. Bxf7+ Kxf7 8. Qh5+ g6 9. Qxc5]
Here is a game that started that way:
https://www.365chess.com/game.php?gid=4063325
By definition you cannot play the Fried Liver with white. It is only a Fried Liver if black plays the lemon 5.Nxd5 instead of 5.Na5 or 5.b5
Properly said.
I play the fried liver attack 100% of the time as white, hoping that my opponent will fall for it. It feels like one out of every 5 games is won easily using the fried liver attack. I will never switch openings again.
If that is true, you are playing what we call hope chess. Playing trappy openings hoping your opponent falls for the trap. There are many openings that fall into this category (The Englund gambit comes to mind), almost all of them have the same defect- stronger players already know all that stuff, and if your opponent does not fall for,the trap, you typically have no advantage- often even an inferior position.
I can very confidently tell you if you are going to keep playing only the fried liver attack, you may have a lot of fun in one out of every five games or so, but where your rating is now it wills always be.
I would encourage you to branch out and learn something new my friend
Here's a nice stunt you can pull off with white. [1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. d4 exd4 5. Ng5 Nh6 6. Nxf7 Nxf7 7. Bxf7+ Kxf7 8. Qh5+ g6 9. Qxc5]
Here is a game that started that way:
I never said it was a guaranteed win for white
I play the fried liver attack 100% of the time as white, hoping that my opponent will fall for it. It feels like one out of every 5 games is won easily using the fried liver attack. I will never switch openings again.
If that is true, you are playing what we call hope chess. Playing trappy openings hoping your opponent falls for the trap. There are many openings that fall into this category (The Englund gambit comes to mind), almost all of them have the same defect- stronger players already know all that stuff, and if your opponent does not fall for,the trap, you typically have no advantage- often even an inferior position.
I can very confidently tell you if you are going to keep playing only the fried liver attack, you may have a lot of fun in one out of every five games or so, but where your rating is now it wills always be.
I would encourage you to branch out and learn something new my friend
I agree with much of the spirit of this, but I do have some quibbles. First (and this is really minor, but I have the impression that NM Dan Heisman cares about it), I believe that “Hope Chess” originally referred to the practice of playing a move without attempting to consider the opponent’s potential forcing replies and how to safely meet them.
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627034359/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/heisman45.pdf
That may be what xzhi is doing, but I do not think that it is the problem that was indicated in what was written.
Second, I do not think that it is appropriate to view
as being in the same category as
In the first case, White is playing respectable moves and has (as I understand it) a reasonable position even if Black does not go for 5...Nxd5. In the second, Black is not playing respectably and will be in serious danger if White does not go for 6 Bc3.
Third, I would guess that at least some improvement would be possible while always going for 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Nf6 4 Ng5 d5 5 exd5. Within those few moves, there is already a lot of scope for Black to go off-script and provide White with learning experiences. Branching-out is indeed a good idea, but I do not think that it must be undertaken right away. Sufficient, I think to note that Fried Liver loyalty is not a good long term growth plan.
… Black is not playing respectably and will be in serious danger if White does not go for 6 Bc3. ...
Ya flat out horrible and almost losing for black after 6.Nc3 vs winning for black after 6.Bc3. All depends on whether white is familiar.
First line I posted:
Traxler:
what about
that?
I am far from being an expert on these lines, but my impression is that things are less appealing for Black if White does not go for 5 Nxf7. By the way, do you ever have the feeling of being watched?
Technically speaking the 4.Ng5 move in the two knights defense is not called "fried liver attack". AFAIK it doesn't really have a name, it's just one continuation to that opening. It's usually denoted simply as "Two Knights: 4.Ng5".
What's called "fried liver attack" is the knight sac 6.Nxf7, which can only be done if black plays 5...Nxd5.
The correct followup is 6...Kxf7 7.Qf3+ Ke6. This is a knight for pawn and king in the center exchange, and the continuation is extremely complicated for both sides. Technically white is at a disadvantage because of the loss of material, if black defends strongly.
Again, I am far from being an expert on these lines, but my impression is that, after 7...Ke6, Black, with extremely accurate play, does not have much hope for more than a draw.
Shirov - Sulskis is a strange game, especially having in mind that both are Latvian (in this game Shirov plays under the Spanish flag).
It is known since 2005, at least, that this line just loses for white after 11...Qh4!! (a brilliant move, admittedly).
Does Black have a win after 7...Ke6 ?
Does Black have a win after 7...Ke6 ?
No. It is a complex game with mutual chances. I'd rather take white, as his position is easier to play.
It is just that Shirov's 9.a3? is a lemon.
Every opening has traps, it just that most traps don't have names.
The OP will never learn good chess if he put's all his chess hopes and dreams in a basket full of traps.
In college in the 90's, there was one smug 16 year old (son of a professor, high school student). He was rated about 1600 to 1700. He always won against me, but he only played for traps. I was 400 points lower than he was, so it was expected.
But the higher rated team members, all between 1800 and 2150 talked behind the 16 year old's back and they considered him a joke. They said he was great against lower rated players, but didn't really understand good chess. He just studied traps and stuff that was fine in the scholastoc crowd, but said he'd never make a college team.
… [1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. d4 Bxd4 5. Nxd4] ... If [5... Nxd4 and 6 Be3], black must retreat to c6 or white regains the material. ...
I found a game that started with 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Bc5 4 d4 Bxd4 5 Nxd4 Nxd4 6 Be3, but:
https://www.365chess.com/game.php?gid=4044834