The fried liver attack is the best white opening ever - Chess Forums - Page 3

magictwanger

Mar 6, 2020

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#41

I am not a strong player,but have a fair conceptual understanding of the game.I do pretty well in my local club.The "only time" I attempt something like the Fried Liver or any particular trap,is when I feel the player is beneath me and may not know how to defend it.

Since I am not really concerned about rating points in my Blitz,I go for traps like this(occasionally) when I see my opponent has a low enough rating to try it.....It's worked maybe 60 percent of the time.I totally agree with Caesar.......I know it's not good chess.....but...sometimes it's just plain fun to take the chance.

kindaspongey

Mar 7, 2020

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#42

"I play the fried liver attack 100% of the time as white, hoping that my opponent will fall for it. It feels like one out of every 5 games is won easily using the fried liver attack. I will never switch openings again." - xzhi

Caesar49bc wrote:

... The OP will never learn good chess if he put's all his chess hopes and dreams in a basket full of traps. ...

At the risk of seeming picky: Did xzhi write about "a basket full of traps"? What I see is a specific reference to playing "the fried liver attack 100% of the time as white". Since that is technically impossible, one can understandably wonder what is intended. I see only one plausible interpretation: Always going for 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Nf6 4 Ng5 d5 5 exd5 as White. As a long term intention, I agree that that is not a great idea, but I do not think that it serves any useful purpose to confuse it with an intention to play "a basket full of traps." Is there any doubt that White's moves are respectable in the specific line? Is there any doubt that, within those few moves, there is already a lot of scope for Black to go off-script and provide White with learning experiences? As I have indicated before, I think it does make sense to point out the virtue of branching-out at some point, but I do not think that xzhi must undertake that right away. Sufficient, I think, to note that Fried Liver loyalty is not a good long term growth plan.

kindaspongey

Mar 7, 2020

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#43

IM pfren wrote:

kindaspongey έγραψε:

Does Black have a win after 7...Ke6 ?

No. It is a complex game with mutual chances. I'd rather take white, as his position is easier to play. It is just that Shirov's 9.a3? is a lemon.

Thank you.

DjVortex

Mar 7, 2020

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#44

I wouldn't call the fried liver attack (the 6.Nxf7) a trap, more like a gambit.

(Although I suppose it can easily lead to mistakes when played against beginners, as they instinctively don't want to play 7...Ke6, because that just looks like a completely silly and suicidal move, and if they don't, they usually just lose the game, so perhaps in that sense it's a "trap".)

MatthewFreitag

Mar 7, 2020

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#45

drmrboss

Mar 7, 2020

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#46

I check the computer prepared opening book (depth 50 + analysis ), called cerebellum and most of the book exit end as equal or drawish position.

So, the high end engine analysis see as +0.50 in depth 35+ on 6 men tablebse, which mean highly drawish!

Here is one variation of the book exit ,

P.S, Here is brainfish cerebellum book (opening book analysed by Stockfish with depth 50+ ) free download link

https://zipproth.de/Brainfish/download/

chamo2074

Mar 8, 2020

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#47

Here is a nice game I played with the fried liver. Ended 1 hour ago.

chamo2074

Mar 8, 2020

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#48

drmrboss a écrit :

I check the computer prepared opening book (depth 50 + analysis ), called cerebellum and most of the book exit end as equal or drawish position.

So, the high end engine analysis see as +0.50 in depth 35+ on 6 men tablebse, which mean highly drawish!

Here is one variation of the book exit ,

P.S, Here is brainfish cerebellum book (opening book analysed by Stockfish with depth 50+ ) free download link

https://zipproth.de/Brainfish/download/

Actually on move 11, it's better to play d4 than to retreat with the bishop

Strangemover

Mar 8, 2020

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#49

19.Bb4++ 20.Kd1/Kf1 Re1#

chamo2074

Mar 8, 2020

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#50

Strangemover a écrit :

19.Bb4++ 20.Kd1/Kf1 Re1#

Oh yes, thanks for pointing it out I didb't see that line

drmrboss

Mar 8, 2020

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#51

chamo2074 wrote:

drmrboss a écrit :

I check the computer prepared opening book (depth 50 + analysis ), called cerebellum and most of the book exit end as equal or drawish position.

So, the high end engine analysis see as +0.50 in depth 35+ on 6 men tablebse, which mean highly drawish!

Here is one variation of the book exit ,

P.S, Here is brainfish cerebellum book (opening book analysed by Stockfish with depth 50+ ) free download link

https://zipproth.de/Brainfish/download/

Actually on move 11, it's better to play d4 than to retreat with the bishop

What is the depth of your analysis?

Most of them in this book are depth 50+ which require approximately 1-2 hours of analysis per position in routine 4 cores hardware.

Did you analyse 4-5 hours in that position? Or are you using 16 cores for 1-2 hours ?

chamo2074

Mar 8, 2020

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#52

drmrboss a écrit :

chamo2074 wrote:

drmrboss a écrit :

I check the computer prepared opening book (depth 50 + analysis ), called cerebellum and most of the book exit end as equal or drawish position.

So, the high end engine analysis see as +0.50 in depth 35+ on 6 men tablebse, which mean highly drawish!

Here is one variation of the book exit ,

P.S, Here is brainfish cerebellum book (opening book analysed by Stockfish with depth 50+ ) free download link

https://zipproth.de/Brainfish/download/

Actually on move 11, it's better to play d4 than to retreat with the bishop

What is the depth of your analysis?

Most of them in this book are depth 50+ which require approximately 1-2 hours of analysis per position in routine 4 cores hardware.

Did you analyse 4-5 hours in that position? Or are you using 16 cores for 1-2 hours ?

I use depth 15, I don't know how much time I spent, while I like to analyse crazy positions, so maybe time passed quickly

drmrboss

Mar 8, 2020

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#53

chamo2074 wrote:

drmrboss a écrit :

chamo2074 wrote:

drmrboss a écrit :

I check the computer prepared opening book (depth 50 + analysis ), called cerebellum and most of the book exit end as equal or drawish position.

So, the high end engine analysis see as +0.50 in depth 35+ on 6 men tablebse, which mean highly drawish!

Here is one variation of the book exit ,

P.S, Here is brainfish cerebellum book (opening book analysed by Stockfish with depth 50+ ) free download link

https://zipproth.de/Brainfish/download/

Actually on move 11, it's better to play d4 than to retreat with the bishop

What is the depth of your analysis?

Most of them in this book are depth 50+ which require approximately 1-2 hours of analysis per position in routine 4 cores hardware.

Did you analyse 4-5 hours in that position? Or are you using 16 cores for 1-2 hours ?

I use depth 15, I don't know how much time I spent, while I like to analyse crazy positions, so maybe time passed quickly

Depth 15 is approximately 0.5s -1s of analysis on routine 4 cores hardware. (although it may take a while on chess.com website)

No way, your analysis of 0.5 second is comparable to 1-2 hours of analysis.

chamo2074

Mar 8, 2020

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#54

drmrboss, my analysis were wrong, this explains why it didn't take so much time with me

Lc0_1

Mar 8, 2020

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#55

I got beaten by something like this in blitz. Smothered mate w/ a bishop like this....

Lc0_1

Mar 8, 2020

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#56

Note: it was middlegame, I know 2 move mate, I'm not dumb, I was low on time. This was not the exact position.

My exact thought process: 'Hmmm.... if I move out into the open after his queen has checked me, I might get mated... Let's go into this TOTALLY safe place that nobody can ma- DANGIT!!

FM goldenbuzzer

Mar 8, 2020

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#57

doi doi

IM pfren

Mar 8, 2020

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#58

chamo2074 έγραψε:

drmrboss, my analysis were wrong, this explains why it didn't take so much time with me

How the heck you are analysing?

9.d4 Nxc2+ 10.Kd1 Nxd4! 11.Bxd5+ Kd6 looks fine for Black. Returning the piece at d5 to fortify the king's defence is a recurring theme of this line.

Taking the rook with all white minor pieces in action is suicidal, and you don't need an engine to realize that.

Ellen_Hall

Mar 8, 2020

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#59

The moral of the story: don't play: 5...Nxd5 as black.

Just don't.

chamo2074

Mar 8, 2020

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#60

anat743 a écrit :

xzhi wrote:

I play the fried liver attack 100% of the time as white, hoping that my opponent will fall for it. It feels like one out of every 5 games is won easily using the fried liver attack. I will never switch openings again.

try it with me

Can I try it with you too