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I just finished playing this 10 minute time controlled match. Every then and now I'll try out the Albin Countergambit. I tend to have the most trouble when White fiachettoes his light-squared bishop, but I wanted to try out an idea. It worked out nicely. Enjoy!

VLaurenT

very nice ! congrats ! Cool

Politicalmusic

Nice game.  I like the Gg5 Nh6 move.  Reminds me of the Albin-Chatard Gambit against the French.  If you liked this game, you will love that gambit.

 

gautam_kumar000

ya,realy a learning experience for me

grolich

Interesting game.

light square g2 Fianchetto is indeed considered as best (though by no means only) means of gaining an advantage with white against the albin counter gambit by current theory. So, it's not just you who's having a problem against it:)

 

I'm just wondering why you said: "as expected" after 6.b3. fianchettoing the other bishop doesn't make all that much sense yet. And there's more than one way to protect that pawn. In fact, a common idea in chess is to attack the weakness the opponent has left behind...You moved your c8 bishop to attack the pawn...so,

one interesting idea isL 6.Qb3, protecting and threatening the b7 pawn. White won't take it immediately, but black will have to spend something to protect it later. Also, it's a better place for the queen than d1, and it protects the pawn.

 

Actually how does black develop now?

e5 white pawn is a nuisance. 6...Nge7 is probably met by 7.Bg2 and white is going to overtake black in development, where it will become unclear why black sacrificed a pawn. (black is blocked. No easy way to develop Bf8 too. hard to attack the white pawns at e5 and c4, which is a common idea by black in this opening).

 

So what about 6...Be7, trying to help that bishop?

Even worse after 7.Bg2 and black has an even weirder problem with his g8 knight now...

So 6...Bb4+ directly? to block neither bishop or knight?

Then 7.Bd2 and black has to either exchange the bishop or defend it. Exchanging with 7...Bxd2+ 8.Nbxd2 is out of the question for black, as the position created afterwards, gives him nothing for the sacrificed pawn. he's just a pawn down and has no compensating factors for it. The second black has no effective way to attack white's c and e pawns, and no other counterplay, he's just in an awkward position in this gambit.

 

defending the bishop is just mildly better. black's e6 bishop is out of plce if nothing can be doen with white's pawns.

 

In my opinion, black's best is mobilizing what he can (his queenside) at full speed with 6...Qd7 7.Bg2 (white will NOT take on b7 now, as black gets interesting play with Rb8 and Bb4+. White may still be better, but I'm no longer sure).

Anyway, after normal play 7.Bg2 0-0-0 8.Nbd2 and black still hasn't provided enough reasons to be happy despite being a pawn down, but at least his piece mobilization is very good now. White looks very good here though.

 

ALL that said, I also like 6.Nbd2 for white, even if it blocks the bishop, since that highlights the strange placement of black's bishop. It makes lots of sense, and maybe is not such a bad move, but it takes a lot just to make it effective there, In my opinion.

 

I'd mark 6.b3 as a slight error. Just playing an automated defense. How to defend is important.

 

You mobilize your forces well in the following couple of moves.

Then comes the very interesting 8...Bh3. Continued next post:)

grolich

So, here comes 8...Bh3, an idea which is very common against the fianchetto in many positions, but, is it good here? easier asked than answered:)

After some analysis, I haven't reached any conclusions, except that things are very complicated. Not sure if that's the best moment for ...Bh3 or not, but I may have more to say after more analysis. Interesting position. Very.

(9.Bxh3 Qxh3 10.Nbd2 looks very interesting to me so far, after that, if 10..h5 11.Ng5, and black's queen has to retreat to defend f7, the other knight joins to f3, and white has blunted black's chances on the kingside somewhat, while improving the position of his pieces, still remaining a pawn up.

One option for black is to ditch any chances of attacking the e pawn and prepare a better offensive with 10...f6. Nothing short of a GM analysis can evaluate this I believe.  I'm certainly out of my league.)

 

Back to the game.

11.h4 seems to be an invitation. I'd accept and play Nh6-g4, and I would be certain black is not worse, and may already be better, despite the pawn deficit.

 

11...Qg4 is ok too. It simply puts a bit less immediate pressure, but it'sa fine move.13.Qc2? blunder alert. Remember a move before you wrote that you considered d3 but thought that was too early? well, NOW 13...d3! rips white's position open.

White's problem is that 14.exd3 loses to 14...Nb4, and white's position is collapsing.

and 14.Qd1 lets you play dxe2 Qxe2 Nf5!? with an extra rook in the attack, without counting on the white mistake in the game.

 

of course, after 13...Nf5, just 14.Qd3 keeps the game interesting, as you've lost the ...d3 move.

 

Although you're still in what looks like a much better position.

 

 

Nice finalle:)

hanngo

i like playing f6

The game annotations are by Andrew Martin

Politicalmusic
grolich wrote:

So, here comes 8...Bh3, an idea which is very common against the fianchetto in many positions, but, is it good here? easier asked than answered:)

After some analysis, I haven't reached any conclusions, except that things are very complicated. Not sure if that's the best moment for ...Bh3 or not, but I may have more to say after more analysis. Interesting position. Very.

(9.Bxh3 Qxh3 10.Nbd2 looks very interesting to me so far, after that, if 10..h5 11.Ng5, and black's queen has to retreat to defend f7, the other knight joins to f3, and white has blunted black's chances on the kingside somewhat, while improving the position of his pieces, still remaining a pawn up.

One option for black is to ditch any chances of attacking the e pawn and prepare a better offensive with 10...f6. Nothing short of a GM analysis can evaluate this I believe.  I'm certainly out of my league.)

 

Back to the game.

11.h4 seems to be an invitation. I'd accept and play Nh6-g4, and I would be certain black is not worse, and may already be better, despite the pawn deficit.

 

11...Qg4 is ok too. It simply puts a bit less immediate pressure, but it'sa fine move.13.Qc2? blunder alert. Remember a move before you wrote that you considered d3 but thought that was too early? well, NOW 13...d3! rips white's position open.

White's problem is that 14.exd3 loses to 14...Nb4, and white's position is collapsing.

and 14.Qd1 lets you play dxe2 Qxe2 Nf5!? with an extra rook in the attack, without counting on the white mistake in the game.

 

of course, after 13...Nf5, just 14.Qd3 keeps the game interesting, as you've lost the ...d3 move.

 

Although you're still in what looks like a much better position.

 

 

Nice finalle:)


Very nice analysis bro

JG27Pyth

At move 14 in the OP game, I thought he resigned because you quickly win a piece with 15.exd3 Qxf3! 16.Kxf3 Nd4+ 17.Bxd4 Nxd4+ 18.Kg2 Nxc2

grolich
LYCAN148 wrote:

i like playing f6

The game annotations are by Andrew Martin

 

 


A long time have passed, so I'm not sure if anyone is reading this, but I just came back after a forced break, and I was rereading some of the comments.

One thing bothered me about the annotations to Lycan148 's game post:

 

specifically the comment:

11.b4 h4 12.b5 Ne7 13.Ne5 Qc8 14.Bxh3 Qxh3 15.Ndf3 hxg3 16.fxg3 Nf5 might have been better, but it is evident that Black has a very dangerous attack.

I have two problems with it:

1) (the less serious problem) EVEN at the end of the given line, the burden of proof is still on black, if this attack can't bring dividends (and it's not THAT dangerous that you can be sure it will) black will just be lost. Not only a pawn down but with weaknesses too.

(For example: 17.Qd3 (blockading the pawn while threatening Qg6+, thus preventing any tricks with Nxg3 for the time being. This also makes Ng4 (in the future) very hard to achieve, as the other knight will hang)

17...0-0-0 18.Rf2 (0-0-0 has renewed the ideas of Nxg3, so this prevents them, now white wants to force the queen to leave the knight on f5 with Ng5)

So EVEN in the line given it's not that clear black's attack is dangerous.

 

But the most important problem:

2) NO attempt has been made in this line (or in the game) to just refute the attack. Doesn't seem hard to find one:

11.Bxh3 Qxh3 12.Ng5 Qd7 13.Ndf3

The g5 knight can never be dislodged, so the h3 square is permenantly guarded. Also the knight is very active as an offensive weapon. This maneuver also made the d3 advance harmless.

Black's only attempt at attacking now remains with the opening of the h file).

but if 13...h4 14.Nxh4 and black can never break through. He's out of possible pawn breaks, and the exchange sac will never work without extra firepower black cannot bring over to control the critical squares(because of the knights at g5 and f3)

(just look at 14...Rxh4? 15.gxh4 Qg4+ 16.Kh1 and even if 16...Qxh4, the knight still can't be dislodged. just Qc2 followed by Qf5 and bringing the other pieces over. (Bd6 can always be answered with f4, which doesn't hurt white's position at all, interestingly enough, and can also be driven away by c5 or b4 and c5 (if black interposes b6)) The g5 knight can return to f3 at will and there's no weak point to break through. Black is down to much material.

 

But without the exchange sac, there's no attack. the g5 knight just freezes the entire kingside.

hanngo
grolich wrote:
LYCAN148 wrote:

i like playing f6

The game annotations are by Andrew Martin

 

 


A long time have passed, so I'm not sure if anyone is reading this, but I just came back after a forced break, and I was rereading some of the comments.

One thing bothered me about the annotations to Lycan148 's game post:

 

specifically the comment:

11.b4 h4 12.b5 Ne7 13.Ne5 Qc8 14.Bxh3 Qxh3 15.Ndf3 hxg3 16.fxg3 Nf5 might have been better, but it is evident that Black has a very dangerous attack.

I have two problems with it:

1) (the less serious problem) EVEN at the end of the given line, the burden of proof is still on black, if this attack can't bring dividends (and it's not THAT dangerous that you can be sure it will) black will just be lost. Not only a pawn down but with weaknesses too.

(For example: 17.Qd3 (blockading the pawn while threatening Qg6+, thus preventing any tricks with Nxg3 for the time being. This also makes Ng4 (in the future) very hard to achieve, as the other knight will hang)

17...0-0-0 18.Rf2 (0-0-0 has renewed the ideas of Nxg3, so this prevents them, now white wants to force the queen to leave the knight on f5 with Ng5)

So EVEN in the line given it's not that clear black's attack is dangerous.

 

But the most important problem:

2) NO attempt has been made in this line (or in the game) to just refute the attack. Doesn't seem hard to find one:

11.Bxh3 Qxh3 12.Ng5 Qd7 13.Ndf3

The g5 knight can never be dislodged, so the h3 square is permenantly guarded. Also the knight is very active as an offensive weapon. This maneuver also made the d3 advance harmless.

Black's only attempt at attacking now remains with the opening of the h file).

but if 13...h4 14.Nxh4 and black can never break through. He's out of possible pawn breaks, and the exchange sac will never work without extra firepower black cannot bring over to control the critical squares(because of the knights at g5 and f3)

(just look at 14...Rxh4? 15.gxh4 Qg4+ 16.Kh1 and even if 16...Qxh4, the knight still can't be dislodged. just Qc2 followed by Qf5 and bringing the other pieces over. (Bd6 can always be answered with f4, which doesn't hurt white's position at all, interestingly enough, and can also be driven away by c5 or b4 and c5 (if black interposes b6)) The g5 knight can return to f3 at will and there's no weak point to break through. Black is down to much material.

 

But without the exchange sac, there's no attack. the g5 knight just freezes the entire kingside.


Yes,this seems to work,but this is just a showcase of blacks attacking ideas in the albin,it is not a perfect game,there can be improvements for both sides.

And can we look at the game and not attacking it?