what the #$%^was he playing and how did he win?

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red-lady

You have probably the nicest and friendliest thread going on at the moment (even for a while). Just saying.

MasterOfNinjas

Why have you added random latin phrases?

MasterOfNinjas
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jojojopo

I did try to analyse this, up to move 22 since the material advantage was so huge there (and I think I spotted a forced winning line) that I didn't want to go further. I'll post it here and see what aronchuk has posted.



jojojopo
aronchuck wrote:

Black played a very bad opening very badly lol :-)

After 3...Bxa6 – what is my opponents idea? To swap light squared Bishops and to capture the d5 pawn. Where are the weaknesses? White has none yet, Black has the possibility of light square weaknesses and a dominated Bishop. I should play 4. c4 to make his Bishop feel silly and to defend my d5 pawn.

After 5...Nf6 – what is my opponents idea? He is just developing his K-side. I can't see a specific threat. Where are the weaknesses? The Na6 is loose and the white squares on the Q-side are now weak due to the absence of the Bishop. This should be enough to realise that Black has blundered and play 6. Qa4+ winning the N on a6 – Tactical motif – double attack. Always look for undefended pieces as they are targets.

After 6. e6. What is my opponents idea? He is trying to attack the centre pawns and develop. Where are the weaknesses? The Na6 is still weak and so should still find the Qa4+ double attack idea.

After 9. fxe6. Same as previous logic the thinking process would allow you to find the Qa4+ idea. E6 is now a new weakness in the Black position.

After 10. Ke7. What is my opponent's idea? His play seems very dangerous as he could have got his King to safety. I think it is just a simple attempt to avoid the Qa4+ hitting the Na6 double attack. This move has been on the cards for a while now and maybe the computer finally had enough time to see it. Where are the weaknesses? The white squares on the Q-side are still weak. The Na6 is still undefended. The e6 pawn is weak as it is isolated and on an open file. Also the Black King is stuck in the centre. What is my worst placed piece? Well I still need to complete my development and develop the Bishop and Queen. All this should point to the idea of playing 11. d5 opening the centre and attacking the weakness. After exd5, cxd5 White is already threatening Qe2+ winning the N on a6 with another double attack. Can also play follow up moves like Qe2, Re1 all ganging up on the e6 point and the Black King and Ba3+ would be another move allowing the other Rook to come to the d-file.

The moves Bg5 and Ne5 are developing moves but they are not being directed against the weaknesses in the Black position. Instead they appear to be development moves for development sake and not the way a strong player would develop. A strong player would be developing the pieces so that they attacked the weaknesses not blocking them.  See above for how a stronger more focussed setup might look.

After 13.. Qe8. Where are the weaknesses? Black's King is still stuck in the centre. So the logical plan is to attack it and open the centre so that we can bring the Queen and Rooks into the attack. So d5 again suggests itself as being an obvious contender

No point commenting on the rest. You get the idea. White's moves would be far stronger if they were directed at the weaknesses. The three Question approach helps you focus on identifying these.  If you don't think properly and identify them then you will never find good moves consistently.  Soon the 3 questions will become habit but for now you have to focus on them to make them a habit.  Unprotected pieces and King stuck in the centre are 2 of the basic ones and so even a beginner should be able to find the ideas of Qa4+ and d5 as they would come directly from the thinking process. SO I suggest you focus on asking:

What is my opponent's idea?

Where are the weaknesses?

And lastly if there is nothing from the other 2 what is my worst placed piece?

 

If you did this then you would have been able to improve significantly on the play in the game.

The 11. d5 idea is really interesting. I didn't think of it, I guessed that since e6 was a weak pawn, I would have tried to attack it with the pieces without giving Black the chance to exchange it for a pawn, but I didn't see the continuation would make the fork with Qe2+ available, AND didn't think of just how exposed the king would be on e7 if the e6-pawn takes on d5. This is a good lesson. I like the way you worded your response based on the three step questions.

This showed me that even if I often spend time figuring out the opponents idea (I always ask this) I am not as consistent with the weaknesses (I do it but sometimes I miss things, since I am not as consistent, or I do see them but don't find the right approach). You show how some things would have been easily found by making the right questions, and this shows the value of a consistent thinking method. Thank you for that! I hope Somebodysson and the other players on this thread find this useful too.

Somebodysson

here is my annotation. I made it without consulting either aronchuck's or jojojopo's annotation. It is by far the most thorough annotation I have ever made, it far exceeds any of my earlier efforts on this thread, which far exceeds any earlier chess efforts of mine.

It felt exciting and important doing this (I know I know, there I go with emotions again.) I hope to do many more annotations in my life. I hope aronchuck and QueenTakesKnightOops especially take a look at my annotation.  And Yaroslavl if you are still participating!

I will not get a chance tomorrow to compare my notes with aronchuck's or jojojopo's or QueenTakesKnightOops'. But I will on Friday. And I will from now on attempt to be more 'objective' and less emotional about my annotations. I see from doing this annotation how different it is from my earlier annotation attempts. Its night and day really. the earlier ones were all emotion. This time I really tried to play chess while annotating.

thanks for this opportunity to grow, everyone. 

1.d4 b6 either will fiancheto QB to target e4, 

anticipating ..Nbd7

2. e4 will need protection after 2...Bb7 

2...d5?  (3. if exd5 ...Qxd5  c4...Qa5+ Bd2 ...Qa4 

Nc3 ...Qd7 white has many more pieces developed. 

Or if 3.e5 ...Nf6  Nf3 ...Bg4 Be2 ...e6  0-0 

white has a better position

Or if exd5 ...Bb7 Nc3 ...Nf6 Bc4 ...g6 Nf3...Bg7  

0-0 ...0-0  Re1 ...Nbd7  evaluation unclear to me.)

3. exd5 (from above, probably ...Bb7 is best)

3. ...Ba6?? (Bxa6 ...Na6 a3...Nf6 

Nf3...g6 0-0 ...0-0 

Knight on a6 is trapped.

4....Bxa6...Nxa6 

5. c4 Nf6 6. Nf3 ...e6? 

(7. if dxe6?...Qe7 pinning white pawn on 

e6.  This doesn't make sense as an annotation. 

I'm criticizing both white's move and black's 

possible response.

7. dxe6? see above ...Bc4+? no real target. 

Better was fxe6 restoring one of the captured pawns.

8. Nc3 ...Bxc3? only benefit is doubling pawns

9. bxc3 fxe6

10. 0-0 Ke7 protecting e6

11. Bg5? not a real target. 

11....Rf8 protecting Nf6

12. Ne5 threatening Nc6 forking Q and K

12...Kd6 preventing fork but allowing c5+ 

pushing K back to e7

13. Bf4!! threatening Nf7+ discovered check capturing Q

13...Qe8 saving Q but

14. Ng6+! losing the exchange

14. ...Kc6 Nxf8 ...Qxf8

16. Qf3+..Nd5?? loses knight. Better would be ...Kd7

17. cxd5...exd5

18. Rfe1 maybe better Rfd1 to double Rs on d file, 

then c4...dxc 

18. ...Qf5?? the kind of move I'd make, not 

anticipating Re5 forcing Q to move again losing a tempo. 

19. ...Qd7 Rae1 ...Nc5? losing N

21.dxc5...Kxc5

22. Be3+ another kind of move I'd make. 

Just undoubled the Rs on e file. Better d4, 

piling more attackers on d5, d5 can't stand.  

22....Kc6 Rd1 putting another attacker on d5

23...Rd8 three defenders three attackers on d5, 

but one defender is black King. 

24. c4 yet another attacker on d5

24. ...Rf8 attempt to displace Q. If cxd5+ ...Qxd5 QxQ#

25. QxRf8 but see above note to 24, missed mate. 

25....Kb7 seeking greener pasture

26. Rdxd5? why not Ree7. Black pawn on d5 is pinned. 

No need to take it yet. 

26. ...Qa4  forking a2 and c4, and apparently 

threatening  Qd1+ back rank mate, but the 

threat is an illusion because Rd5. 

27. h3 White buys into the illusory back rank 

threat, and defends against the ghost, realizing 

it will lose a pawn.

28. Qxg7, threatening h7 and more important, 

threatening Re7  and Rxc7+ 

28...Qc2 targetting c4, what else to do?

29. c5 to give the targetted c pawn the company 

of two rooks and a bishop, but losing the 

pawn anyway to ...b6xc5

29. Qb1+ spite check. 

30. ...Qg6. suicide. no chance left for black. 

QueenTakesKnightOOPS

Thanks for all the comments & analysis, I have my notes from the game so I'll post my stuff as soon as I finish analysing the analysis Laughing

blasterdragon
NewArdweaden

12. If Rxf4, position looks superb for white! Black should have felt a lot of pressure if you played that, frankly.

blitzjoker

Rxf4 followed by Qh5 and Ra1-f1 looks very nasty for black.  I would have been tempted by cxd at some point and taking his bishop with my knight if he recaptures with the bishop.  If he recaptures with his pawn it blocks off his bishop for the forseeable future.

I think you played the opening quite well. You shouldn't worry too much about his premature kingside attack as his own king is very precarious in the centre.

blitzjoker

I thought of taking with the rook, but wanted to give my bishop more squares to control.

This sounds very much like the theme of this thread.  You were thinking in generalities (squares to control) rather than targets (f7).

Yaroslavl

In compliance with your request, Somebodysson, in your post #484, I will post my analysis of the game you annotated.

Somebodysson
blitzjoker wrote:

I thought of taking with the rook, but wanted to give my bishop more squares to control.

This sounds very much like the theme of this thread.  You were thinking in generalities (squares to control) rather than targets (f7).

yes, that is the kind of generality that prompted the very rich discussion about targets, and the importance of discovering and developing targets, and being vigilant about targets my opponent has in my army. 

Somebodysson

thanks Yaroslavl. Yah, everyone, we're way past that first game in the first post! We've been down quite a road. We are now discussing QueenTakesKnightOops game, and we will be discussing the games I play this Saturday (two of them this Saturday).

By the way jojojopo and aronchuck, a quick analysis of your annotations showed me that 1. I missed many things in my annotations, things you guys found, 2. I am too timid (passive) even in my annotations, not just in my play 3. I don't really know how to annotate, I'm not sure if I'm supposed to be criticizing a move, finding a better move, proposing a line, listing a continuation, all of the above, when, how?  And there seem to be no brief and clear guidelines for annotating. 

jojojopo, I loved your annotation to the first few moves of QTKOops game. It was so smart! And I need to read both aronschucks and jojojopo's annotations again. And I look forward to QTKOops annotation. 

Lugor

You were starting with much space and a very good center, but then made a lot of mistakes and didn't put him under any pressure. Your opponent had all the time he wanted to develop his pieces...

Somebodysson
Lugor wrote:

You were starting with much space and a very good center, but then made a lot of mistakes and didn't put him under any pressure. Your opponent had all the time he wanted to develop his pieces...

umm, people should read some of the thread to find out where we are in the conversation. We're not discussing the first posted game anymore. We're discussing QueenTakesKnightOops' most recent posted game on this thread. Thanks. 

jojojopo
Somebodysson wrote:

thanks Yaroslavl. Yah, everyone, we're way past that first game in the first post! We've been down quite a road. We are now discussing QueenTakesKnightOops game, and we will be discussing the games I play this Saturday (two of them this Saturday).

By the way jojojopo and aronchuck, a quick analysis of your annotations showed me that 1. I missed many things in my annotations, things you guys found, 2. I am too timid (passive) even in my annotations, not just in my play 3. I don't really know how to annotate, I'm not sure if I'm supposed to be criticizing a move, finding a better move, proposing a line, listing a continuation, all of the above, when, how?  And there seem to be no brief and clear guidelines for annotating. 

jojojopo, I loved your annotation to the first few moves of QTKOops game. It was so smart! And I need to read both aronschucks and jojojopo's annotations again. And I look forward to QTKOops annotation. 

I suppose that you should do any of the above when you think it's necesary, depending on what you are trying to achieve. Or, in other words, do as you please! And I'm glad that you found the annotations useful!

QueenTakesKnightOOPS

Here are my thoughts on the Game I posted. This is NOT an analysis, it is purely my thoughts as I played each move. Apologies for the format, the chess.com Game editor is not saving annotations for some reason.

 

1. d4 b6 Didn't expect that but I know its playable, I'll take the centre

2. e4 d5 ok, swap the pawns I don't want a closed game under this time pressure, I'll deal with the bishop threat if it arises.

3. exd5 Ba6 4. Take the Bishop & eliminate a possible headache later

Bxa6 Nxa6 5. c4 Nf6 6. Nf3 e6 swap the pawns my centre is fine start looking for targets

7. dxe6 Bb4+ Decision, block with Bishop or Knight, decide on Knight, not worried about doubled pawns I've played that structure before in Queens Gambit games & the Bishop may be useful as the position opens up more

8. Nc3 Bxc3+ 9. bxc3 fxe6 10. O-O Ke7 That looks weak possibly a target

11. Bg5 Rf8 Pinning the Knight & indirectly attacking the King &.... completely missing winning the Knight on a3 with Queen a4+

12.Ne5 Kd6 The King is now a target as is the isolated pawn

13. Bf4 Qe8 Check for traps win the exchange

14. Ng6+ Kc6 15. Nxf8 Qxf8 16. Qf3+ Nd5?? Check for traps take the Knight

17. cxd5+ exd5 18. Rfe1 Qf5 This is a win but be careful the King is the primary target also the d5 pawn

19. Re5 Qd7 20. Rae1 Nc5 What is this? Suicide Chess, check for traps take the Knight

21. dxc5 Kxc5 22. Be3+ Kc6 The target is now the d5 pawn

23. Rd1 Rd8 24. c4 Rf8 Attack the pawn & his Rook commits suicide, I hoped for a better defence than this.

25. Qxf8 Kb7 Targets are now the King & the Queen, I'll exchange Queens if I get a chance

26. Rdxd5 Qa4 Eeek, check for Back rank Mates, can't see any but I don't need the distraction so I'll pause to make an escape route

27. h3 Qxa2 28. Qxg7 Qc2 Missed the hanging Pawn completely but its still a win, don't let the time pressure get to you or lose focus

29. c5 Qb1+ 30. Kh2 Qg6, No hesitation, suicide move grab the Queen

31. Qxg6 hxg6 32. Rg5 Kc6 33. Rde5 Kb7 34. cxb6 axb6 35. Rxg6 Kc8 Mopping up loose material, with my calculating power down I won't risk blundering into a Stalemate

36. Rg7 Kb7 37. Ree7 Kc6 38. Rxc7+ Kd6 39. Bxb6 Kd5 40. Rcd7+ Kc6 41. Be3 Kb5 Ok, pressure gone I can play this out blindfold

42. Rg5+ Kc6 43. Rdd5 Kc7 44. Rg6 Kb8 45. Rf5 Kc8 46. Rf7 Kb8 47. Rg8# Disappointed in the Computers play, need to analyse the game but only remember losing the a2 pawn as a blunder.

Yaroslavl

1.d4 b6 - 1...b6 Too slow. Black is already behind a move. Allows White to establish head pawn duo at d4,e4.

If 2.e4 Bg7- then 3.Be3 and possibly f3 depending on how Black decides how to attack White's

already established center. f3 is designed to have Back's B at b7 biting on granite.

2.e4 d5 - White establishes head pawn duo. Black is claiming his fair share of the center. White now has 3

choices: a.maintain the tension in the center by playing Nc3 defending the e pawn and developing a

piece to control the center. b.play e5 closing the diagonal for any B at b7, denies Black the f6

square for his N, and establishing a bind on Black's Kingside; most important is that the

characteristic pawn structure,closed formation, has arisen, the pawn break (target) for White is f5

the pawn break (target) for Black is c5; already White is contemplating a flank attack on the Kingside because of the blocked center and his bind on Black's Kingside because of his pawn on e5. c. exd5 breaks the tension in the center for the gain of a

tempo after ...Qxd5 Nc3 and the Black Q must move again while White has developed his N to c3.

e5 KILLS COUNTERPLAY and gains space for White, by far the best choice.

3.exd5 Ba6 - White has broken the tension in the center by executing a pawn break prematurely, and liquidating his powerful head pawn duo making Black's job of developing and claiming his fair share of the center much easier. Black is threatening to play ...Bxf1 forcing Kxf1 denying White castling privileges.

4.Bxa6 Nxa6 - White exchanges Bs thwarting Black's threat and leaving Black's N on a poor square. Black will have centralize his N at the cost of valuable tempii for developing other Black pieces. And, the possibility of having a powerful B on b7 bearing down on the center along the a8-e4 diagonal is gone.

upen2002

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