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hnzngrmpf

I am a beginner and played a game where I felt stuck in a position where I had absolutely no idea what to do in my next move(s). Could anyone please help me with some advice to develop from this position? I was playing the black pieces.

I see that castleing is an option (I did 0-0). And for white the b-file is open. I dont want to play Nd4 or d5 because white protects these squares with more pieces than I would be attacking with.

(This is my first post and I try to set up the position. I see no "show post in advance" button so I hope everything works fine.)

IMKeto

0-0 is fine in this position.  After castling, you have completed the opening principles.  Another option, if you're feeling lucky would be to play ...b6 which prevents c5, and covers the weak b7 square.

hnzngrmpf
IMBacon hat geschrieben:

After castling, you have completed the opening principles.  Another option, if you're feeling lucky would be to play ...b6 which prevents c5, and covers the weak b7 square.

Thank you for the quick responsehappy.png

And also for telling me about completing the opening principles. happy.png This is what I am learning to do right now.

I forgot to tell that I also thought about ...b6. But I lack general ideas. What would be a good strategy? Where could I attack? Should I move pawn to b5 to open the b-file for me?

IMKeto

You're not going to attack in a position like that.  White has more space since his pawns on e4-c4 are farther advanced than yours.  Your worst piece is your bishop, so you want to find a way to get it active.

When you have less space, you want to trade pieces.  When you have more space, you dont want to trade pieces.  You should find a way to activate your bishop.

...Nd8 with the idea of ...Ne6, and ...c6-d5.  But white has a game plan too.  He may want to target the weak b7 pawn with Rb1.  But what do i know?  Im watching a movie...

hnzngrmpf

Thank you, your remarks to moving the knight and unblocking the bishop are very helpful for me. That is what I should look for, thank you again!

Kolyanik

0-0   а   дальше   я   не   знаю.

IMKeto
hnzngrmpf wrote:

Thank you, your remarks to moving the knight and unblocking the bishop are very helpful for me. That is what I should look for, thank you again!

Glad to help.  But im sure someone better can offer better advice :-)

coaxCatToucan
0-0 0-0-0 (0-0) thats better
Deranged

I'm only 1800 blitz rating, so take this advice with a grain of salt, but the way I see things:

This is a pretty quiet/boring position, but there's still a few things we can try to do. If it were me in this position:

1) Castle kingside, NOT queenside, as the open b-file is too dangerous.

2) Trade off bishops. Your bishop is terrible but your opponent's bishop is pretty good.

3) Get your pawn to c6 so that white can never get a knight outpost on d5

4) Prepare to eventually pawn break on f5

corum

Good advice by Deranged. I particularly like the f5 idea.

anchordraw

The o-o, with f5 looks like a great plan.

 

hnzngrmpf
Deranged hat geschrieben:

This is a pretty quiet/boring position...

4) Prepare to eventually pawn break on f5

Ok, defintively you could call it boringwink.png Maybe that's why I had pretty no idea. So thank you for your advice.

But what exactly do you mean by "pawn break" on f5? (I don't know this term because English is not my first language)

anchordraw

White has the center control.  After castle, and eventually f5, you can break up the center pawns, thus the term "pawn break"

hnzngrmpf

Now I can see, thank you for explaining.

Clavius

It's a semi-closed position with no immediate tactics so this is not when you should waste time on the clock pondering choices that have similar benefits.  O-O and b6 (to close the open b-file) are probably your best next two moves in either order.  

More important in this type of position is developing a plan.  Black is cramped and White has the edge in space and mobility so Black's plans are difficult to create.  Exchanging pieces when offered the opportunity is always going to be good to relieve the cramp.  Playing ...Nh7 followed by ...f5 to open a file for your f8 Rook (after O-O) is a decent short term idea.  White will try to centralize knights on d5 or perhaps e4 (after ...f5 x e4) and your Be7 could be vulnerable to Nd5.  So moving the bishop back to d8 keeps it safe and supports the queenside pawns plus opens e7 for your knight to counter a white knight on d5 and opens c6 for the c7 pawn to control d5 and keep the knight out of there.  Patiently defending, looking for opportunities to attack on the kingside after you open the f-file and waiting for an error by White is your plan.

 

drmrboss

As a black player in this type of position where white is slightly better, I have plan A, B,C

 

1. Plan A , not to lose. Most important thing---> Seal off the weakest point which is b7. c5 break allow white player to trade off double pawn. So b6 and a5 is a must. 

2. Plan B. Is my position solid, what are opponent's threats? Nd5. But you can trade it off. It is OK.

Plan C. Can I win? Of course if opponent doesn't make mistake, you can never win. Then , I will do pressure to him and let him make mistakes. I will start by pushing king side pawns f5, g5 after O-O.

 

(P.S,  I am so happy that Stockfish agreed with my plan. )

GorskiVuk1970

0-0 is fine



Also you can play 0-0-0 an g5 after that

hnzngrmpf
Clavius hat geschrieben:

Playing ...Nh7 followed by ...f5 to open a file for your f8 Rook (after O-O) is a decent short term idea.  White will try to centralize knights on d5 or perhaps e4 (after ...f5 x e4) and your Be7 could be vulnerable to Nd5.  So moving the bishop back to d8 keeps it safe and supports the queenside pawns plus opens e7 for your knight to counter a white knight on d5 and opens c6 for the c7 pawn to control d5 and keep the knight out of there.  Patiently defending, looking for opportunities to attack on the kingside after you open the f-file and waiting for an error by White is your plan.

Thank you very much! These ideas are very helpfull for me!

Deerfarm1

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