Why Does Black Have the Advantage?

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EnCroissantCheckmate


 

Here, black is down a pawn, has a knight on the edge of the board, and is clearly behind in development. Why does Stockfish give Black an advantage in this position?

Edit: Nevermind. The position is actually equal. But my question remains. Why is the position equal and not a +2 advantage for White?

corum

I think you have posted the wrong position. The one you have posted surely has a slight edge for white.

EnCroissantCheckmate
corum wrote:

I think you have posted the wrong position. The one you have posted surely has a slight edge for white.

Nevermind. The position is actually equal. But my question remains. Why is the position equal and not a +2 advantage for White?

Jenium

Black has easy development. Theoretically, I believe, this is considered to be more or less equal. However, Black needs to know what he/she is doing, or he/she is just down a pawn. That's why I prefer the white side here...

Best_Person_Ever

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tictactoeprodigy

Because black gets better development, easy space, while white still has to find a way to develop. (After the mainline bb5+). It’s not pleasant to play as white in blitz.

sndeww
KnightAttack1567 wrote:


 

Here, black is down a pawn, has a knight on the edge of the board, and is clearly behind in development. Why does Stockfish give Black an advantage in this position?

because COMPENSATION for the pawn is development, open lines, and white doens't.

llama
Jenium wrote:

Black has easy development. Theoretically, I believe, this is considered to be more or less equal. However, Black needs to know what he/she is doing, or he/she is just down a pawn. That's why I prefer the white side here...

Yes, exactly.

If you try this line out for fun (without studying it) it's easy to just be a pawn down. One of the reasons I like 3...Bc5

 

2Ke21-0

I think Stockfish is wrong here. In a symmetrical position as such, whoever has the first move, in this case, White can only be better. Albeit, a theoretically prepared player with the black pieces can prove the advantage is very slight, not much. 

llama

It's a gambit line, and it's not symmetrical, WTH are you talking about?

tictactoeprodigy
llama wrote:

It's a gambit line, and it's not symmetrical, WTH are you talking about?

maybe he's referring to the symmetrical position of the king and queen.

sndeww
rytsar25507 wrote:
llama wrote:

It's a gambit line, and it's not symmetrical, WTH are you talking about?

maybe he's referring to the symmetrical position of the king and queen.

then the starting position is a draw lol

2Ke21-0
llama wrote:

It's a gambit line, and it's not symmetrical, WTH are you talking about?

Gambit line? White has not sacrificed any material in the starting position and the piece setups are mirror images. 

tictactoeprodigy
2Ke21-0 wrote:
llama wrote:

It's a gambit line, and it's not symmetrical, WTH are you talking about?

Gambit line? White has not sacrificed any material in the starting position and the piece setups are mirror images. 

omegaLUL must still be bug where the board doesnt show up for some people

sndeww

2K it's the two knights