Would You Castle or Play Kd7 Here?

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Schuabystar33

Considering the opponents knight is unable to do anything and defense against them doubling up their rooks is straightforward, Kd7 would be solid for setting up a crushing endgame. However, instinctively I would probably castle if I were in this game because my mind always goes towards king safety, which is probably to my detriment in this situation.

rychessmaster1

Kd7 is an automatic decision no

KeSetoKaiba

I'm REALLY sure I've admitted this before, but it was brought to my attention that it wasn't "clear" enough, so I'll post this just for clarity of this thread:

This was my forum thread because I was honestly questioning the objective difference between ...O-O and ...Kd7 and if that difference was significant enough in this position. @Gump_forest encouraged me to create this forum thread and see what opinions others shared on this position (without them, I probably wouldn't have gone through with actually posting this thread, hence the "this was your operation" meme). 

For clarification: @Gump_forest was "right" and I was "wrong" in how ...Kd7 was best - even if this thread was primarily concerned with "how bad" castling actually was in this exact position.

I thought all of this was clear and obvious to everyone reading this thread, but I guess it wasn't to everyone, so without naming names, I'll just leave this post here for reference and clarity. happy.png

blueemu

No contest. No question.

Kd7.

KeSetoKaiba
blueemu wrote:

No contest. No question.

Kd7.

Yup xD (Engine evaluations also given in the original post, but I also wanted "human" reasoning into people opinions and greatly why this thread was originally made)

IHaveTHEChessSkill

Doesn't matter u up piece

xor_eax_eax05

If this was a Daily game I would go Kd7. Reason is im a piece up, pawn structure is good, queens are off the board, moving the King there helps protecting the open file, etc.

 

Edit: Oh and it connects the rooks too.

LogoCzar

it's the endgame! just postulate the king with ...Kd7; king activity matters

Kowarenai
Batman2508 wrote:

it is not a blunder or anything I think according to Carlsen he would just be like " why are you allowing your opponent even a slim chance of play" kd7 is undoubtfully better I don't even know why you would consider castling king safety is no issue here, and it shouldn't be.

 

Woollensock2
Kd7 is the correct answer ! ✌️😎……why castle ! It just makes the King inactive. King safety in this position is just not necessary . Kd7 gives the King an active roll in the game . ………Woolly has spoken ! ✌️😾
davidkimchi

man you guys are so smart analyzing these moves so deeply and thinking ahead.

I would probably castle, so that my rook can be towards the center and i dont know why

KeSetoKaiba
davidkimchi wrote:

man you guys are so smart analyzing these moves so deeply and thinking ahead.

I would probably castle, so that my rook can be towards the center and i dont know why

Well to be fair, beginners and early intermediate players are typically taught to "castle early." There are often exceptions to principles like "castle early" (which is why I like to call them "guidelines" rather than "rules"). As a learning player not knowing how to identify these exceptions, it is usually better to just castle early because leaving the King in the center for too long can become a target and in some cases suicidal for the King.

The few cases where the uncastled King can remain in the center are usually either when the center is closed (pawn structure pawns "locked") or when many dangerous pieces (like Queens or Rooks) have been exchanged off and so there is less danger of checkmate on an exposed King.

DixieLandTN

Castling is for cowards ;-)

Chesslover0_0
davidkimchi wrote:

man you guys are so smart analyzing these moves so deeply and thinking ahead.

I would probably castle, so that my rook can be towards the center and i dont know why

It's pretty much all of what KesetoKaiba said...

My thing is, it's an endgame principle, and that principle is that the King can be a useful piece, so stuffing him in the corner is simply not wise here, it's better to play Kd7 and activate the king and as was said, the king doesn't have to fear all the checks from the Queen and some minor pieces.  Instead by playing Kd7, the King is preparing to get involved in the soon to come endgame. 

Chesslover0_0

Also by playing Kd7 here, the King stops the Rook on c1 from infiltrating, this is something that castling couldn't do. 

KeSetoKaiba
DixieLandTN wrote:

Castling is for cowards ;-)

Sometimes cowards live and heroic Kings die though...

blueemu
DixieLandTN wrote:

Castling is for cowards ;-)

A REAL King will face his opponents head on, and defeat them personally!

A Heroic Defense in the Sicilian Najdorf - Kids, don't try this at home! - Chess Forums - Chess.com

KeSetoKaiba

You've shared this game in many chess.com threads, but it is still a nice game @blueemu happy.png

I still don't think I've had an "immortal" game, just some games better than others...maybe one day I'll play some masterpiece of a game, but I also feel like I'm picky/selective on what qualifies as masterpiece/immortal for myself though wink.png

Gump_forest

This forum still alive?

Can we stop analysing this thing now -_-..

How about analysing something more complicated and not soo straight forward things?..i mean this is self explanatory for a 2000 calibre player..come on keseto..jk jk...

Ok looks like ur forums gets more than 2 comments ..soo i will let u know my doubts...hope u don't shy away from posting them

KeSetoKaiba

It was dead until you bumped it with your comment -_-