Dude stalled for 6minutes in M2

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Sobrukai

Yeah I'm not saying what your opponent did was cool, I'm just saying he did beat you fair and square because you were careless to another level.

woton

It's an old trick that a few of my opponents have tried to play on me (you might even call it an underhanded swindle). I once had an opponent who hung his queen with 25 minutes to go. He offered a draw and when I declined, he called me a few names and said I would have to wait until the clock ran out. Sure enough, with five minutes left he made his move.

It's not stalling, they're just trying to take advantage of their opponent's inattention.

ckopytko

Day 14 and still no refund, if i wont get it i will from now on be same piece of trash of a player as that guy since aparently you can do stuff like that

woton

I don't understand why you think that you deserve a refund. You're opponent tricked you, and you fell for it.

ckopytko

Imagine everyone is doing that, it's simply not "a trick"

woton

It would be annoying, but I would just wait them out. In the game that I earlier cited, I had 20 or so minutes left on my clock, so I found other things to occupy my time and checked on the game every 5 minutes or so.

ckopytko

Great but some people here just want to play chess and not do this sort of garbage stuff as that garbage human

woton

Waiting for your opponent to move is part of playing chess. Would you be as upset if your opponent had just let his clock run out rather than trying an underhanded trick?

Also, you haven't answered my question. Why do you think that you deserve a refund?

ckopytko

https://support.chess.com/en/articles/8584203-what-is-stalling#h_ca3dadeba5

This unsportsmanlike behavior is a tactic some players use when they realize they cannot win, often to frustrate or annoy their opponent. Stalling can take several forms, including:
Taking excessively long between moves: The player deliberately takes a very long time between moves, effectively dragging the game out with unnecessary or pointless moves. - bolded especially for you.
aand later is stays
If you come across this kind of behavior, we encourage you to report the player. We understand how frustrating stalling can be, and we do not tolerate it on our site.

Also refund is one of the things, id also be at least partially satisfied with restriction for that player at least some message from chess,.com that they acknowledged my report, but i havent, so im full on now.

ckopytko

I could understand it in a game where there's total time for all the games as it happens in some of the tournaments so it becomes a sort of strategy for the match, but yeah this is not the case.

Fr3nchToastCrunch
woton wrote:

It's not stalling, they're just trying to take advantage of their opponent's inattention.

What you described is literally the definition of stalling.

woton

I guess it depends on your perspective. Most of the time when this happens, my opponents let their clock run out. I consider this to be spiteful. I enjoy it when my opponents try an attempted swindle as I have anticipated their strategy, and quickly destroy their hopes of catching me off guard.

Ironguard5s

Meh thats lucky

I played a 5hour + 3 minute increment game once (Idk why and it was 9:00 PM too) against a 2200 on lichess and when we were going to mate him in 2 moves he stalled for 4 hours and by then I was asleep and when I woke up I lost on time

Ironguard5s
IplayedBxc8 wrote:
Ironguard5s wrote:

Meh thats lucky

I played a 5hour + 3 minute increment game once (Idk why and it was 9:00 PM too) against a 2200 on lichess and when we were going to mate him in 2 moves he stalled for 4 hours and by then I was asleep and when I woke up I lost on time

that's a you problem for playing 5 hour games with not 3 second but insane 3 minutes increment.

Man I was 8 years old back then ok I didn't know what I was doing show me some mercy 🥺🥺

JayThe10th
ckopytko wrote:

Day 14 and still no refund, if i wont get it i will from now on be same piece of trash of a player as that guy since aparently you can do stuff like that

Dude, it is YOUR FAULT for not realizing your opponent made a move, and bad sportsmanship (not threats or stuff like that though) is not a punishable offense in this situation, and you will not get a refund for negligence and not spotting your opponent moving, even if they are purposefully stalling. Please see sense.

JayThe10th
Ironguard5s wrote:
IplayedBxc8 wrote:
Ironguard5s wrote:

Meh thats lucky

I played a 5hour + 3 minute increment game once (Idk why and it was 9:00 PM too) against a 2200 on lichess and when we were going to mate him in 2 moves he stalled for 4 hours and by then I was asleep and when I woke up I lost on time

that's a you problem for playing 5 hour games with not 3 second but insane 3 minutes increment.

Man I was 8 years old back then ok I didn't know what I was doing show me some mercy 🥺🥺

Why did you even play a 5-hour game if you had to go to sleep? Common sense is normally present in an 8-year-old. Just because you were 8 does not explain why you decided to do that, and it is inexcusable and confusing to see that, just WHY?

ckopytko
JayThe10th wrote:

is not a punishable offense in this situation

Yeah let me copy it again since you can't read apparently
If you come across this kind of behavior, we encourage you to report the player. We understand how frustrating stalling can be, and we do not tolerate it on our site.

woton

The question is: Is this stalling? If your opponent had let his clock run down, I would say that it is because he's wasting time. In this case, he was using a tactic to trick you. There is no answer, it's judgmental.

Even if the Chess.com staff were to agree that it is stalling, you would get no refund.

You might want to read "The Complete Chess Swindler" by David Smerdon. It gives several ways to win or draw a completely lost game.

ckopytko

Dude i literally bolded to you

https://support.chess.com/en/articles/8584203-what-is-stalling#h_ca3dadeba5

Stalling can take several forms, including:

Letting the clock run out: Instead of resigning, the player simply allows the time to expire without making any moves.
Taking excessively long between moves: The player deliberately takes a very long time between moves, effectively dragging the game out with unnecessary or pointless moves.

Also i don't give a flying you-know-what about the ranking points anymore, i just got pissed, and gonna be more more obnoxious in insults until i get an acknowledgment of some chess.com reaction on that. Since that time i already gained 100+ points in rapid so its like whatever, its a matter of principle. After that game he ended up being 16pts higher than he should and i 16pts lower than i should.

woton

You'll be waiting a long time. Chess.com used to inform you when they had taken action (although they didn't say what the action was). They don't do that anymore.

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