I've played a game recently where my opponent did common opening mistakes like making too many pawn moves and moving already developed pieces several times. Here is how i punished those mistakes.
How to punish your opponent for neglecting development
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Verbeena
Apr 17, 2020
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Apr 17, 2020
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The problem with 3...Bb4 is it doesn't do anything. Sure it develops a piece, but that's it. You always want to try and find moves that limit what you're opponent can do. After your third move, white can play pretty much whatever he wants. But after 3...Nc6 which still develops a piece. It also does the following: Prevents white from paying 4.d4 (opening principles). The knight covers both d4-b4. Protects e5.
I think you're over using the word "punish" Their are going to be times when their is nothing to punish. And all you have to do is play good, solid, fundamental moves.
Apr 18, 2020
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#4
SoupTime4 wrote:
The problem with 3...Bb4 is it doesn't do anything. Sure it develops a piece, but that's it. You always want to try and find moves that limit what you're opponent can do. After your third move, white can play pretty much whatever he wants. But after 3...Nc6 which still develops a piece. It also does the following: Prevents white from paying 4.d4 (opening principles). The knight covers both d4-b4. Protects e5.
I think you're over using the word "punish" Their are going to be times when their is nothing to punish. And all you have to do is play good, solid, fundamental moves.
Thanks for your mini-analysis. I wanted to have the option of castle quickly, which Bb4 enables, so there is another purpose to it than just develop. It is even better if white plays a4. But i get that Nc6 is having other benefits like you mentioned. I would say that those moves are about equal, although the engine prefers Bb4 slightly over Nc6.
Apr 18, 2020
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#5
kaukasar wrote:
SoupTime4 wrote:
The problem with 3...Bb4 is it doesn't do anything. Sure it develops a piece, but that's it. You always want to try and find moves that limit what you're opponent can do. After your third move, white can play pretty much whatever he wants. But after 3...Nc6 which still develops a piece. It also does the following: Prevents white from paying 4.d4 (opening principles). The knight covers both d4-b4. Protects e5.
I think you're over using the word "punish" Their are going to be times when their is nothing to punish. And all you have to do is play good, solid, fundamental moves.
Thanks for your mini-analysis. I wanted to have the option of castle quickly, which Bb4 enables, so there is another purpose to it than just develop. It is even better if white plays a4. But i get that Nc6 is having other benefits like you mentioned. I would say that those moves are about equal, although the engine prefers Bb4 slightly over Nc6.
Keep in mind that youre not playing an engine. In fact, unless you plan on making a rating of 3600? You dont need to be concerned with what an engine thinks in the opening.
Well done! Very instructive.
Congrats on the win, your opponent seemed clueless and played really weird moves. Also, what in the hell is this chess board ? ?
Apr 18, 2020
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How to punish your opponent for neglecting development
The bunny finds that a sharp rap on the knuckles with a metal ruler normally does the trick. No more forgetting development.
Apr 18, 2020
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#9
You too can have a 3D board. It's a setting, click on the cog wheel next to the board when you play.
I don't get it. How can someone almost at 1600 make those mistakes ?
JoueurBravache wrote:
You too can have a 3D board. It's a setting, click on the cog wheel next to the board when you play.
I don't get it. How can someone almost at 1600 make those mistakes ?
The idea behind my comment is that the chessboard hurts my eyes.
The guy did not play very well, but it happens to even the best of us, on tilt, drunk, tired, bad day etc.. You name it.
SoupTime4 wrote:
kaukasar wrote:
SoupTime4 wrote:
The problem with 3...Bb4 is it doesn't do anything. Sure it develops a piece, but that's it. You always want to try and find moves that limit what you're opponent can do. After your third move, white can play pretty much whatever he wants. But after 3...Nc6 which still develops a piece. It also does the following: Prevents white from paying 4.d4 (opening principles). The knight covers both d4-b4. Protects e5.
I think you're over using the word "punish" Their are going to be times when their is nothing to punish. And all you have to do is play good, solid, fundamental moves.
Thanks for your mini-analysis. I wanted to have the option of castle quickly, which Bb4 enables, so there is another purpose to it than just develop. It is even better if white plays a4. But i get that Nc6 is having other benefits like you mentioned. I would say that those moves are about equal, although the engine prefers Bb4 slightly over Nc6.
Keep in mind that youre not playing an engine. In fact, unless you plan on making a rating of 3600? You dont need to be concerned with what an engine thinks in the opening.
What the hell is wrong with 3... Bb4? If you're going to talk down to someone at least suggest 3...d5 which is better and more principled than either 3... Nc6 or 3... Bb4. Btw after 3...Bb4, 4.d4 is bad anyway so both moves "stop" d4. OP played a fairly nice game that definitely has some instructional value but instead of pointing out anything instructional you latched on to the first move you thought you could improve and proceeded to shove your foot in your mouth and defend it stubbornly even when proven wrong. You should see a doctor about getting head reduction surgery.
Here is a good article was written on this topic: https://www.chessonly.com/advantage-in-development/
Apr 19, 2020
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TheEagle91 wrote:
Here is a good article was written on this topic: https://www.chessonly.com/advantage-in-development/
It would be even better if you put annotations in those games, highlighting the point you wish to make in your article.
kaukasar wrote:
TheEagle91 wrote:
Here is a good article was written on this topic: https://www.chessonly.com/advantage-in-development/
It would be even better if you put annotations in those games, highlighting the point you wish to make in your article.
got it!
PopcornSC wrote:
SoupTime4 wrote:
kaukasar wrote:
SoupTime4 wrote:
The problem with 3...Bb4 is it doesn't do anything. Sure it develops a piece, but that's it. You always want to try and find moves that limit what you're opponent can do. After your third move, white can play pretty much whatever he wants. But after 3...Nc6 which still develops a piece. It also does the following: Prevents white from paying 4.d4 (opening principles). The knight covers both d4-b4. Protects e5.
I think you're over using the word "punish" Their are going to be times when their is nothing to punish. And all you have to do is play good, solid, fundamental moves.
Thanks for your mini-analysis. I wanted to have the option of castle quickly, which Bb4 enables, so there is another purpose to it than just develop. It is even better if white plays a4. But i get that Nc6 is having other benefits like you mentioned. I would say that those moves are about equal, although the engine prefers Bb4 slightly over Nc6.
Keep in mind that youre not playing an engine. In fact, unless you plan on making a rating of 3600? You dont need to be concerned with what an engine thinks in the opening.
What the hell is wrong with 3... Bb4? If you're going to talk down to someone at least suggest 3...d5 which is better and more principled than either 3... Nc6 or 3... Bb4. Btw after 3...Bb4, 4.d4 is bad anyway so both moves "stop" d4. OP played a fairly nice game that definitely has some instructional value but instead of pointing out anything instructional you latched on to the first move you thought you could improve and proceeded to shove your foot in your mouth and defend it stubbornly even when proven wrong. You should see a doctor about getting head reduction surgery.
How is he talking down to the OP??? There is nothing here that suggests he is talking down to the guy. He is 100% correct in suggesting that depending on an engine is not important in the opening. Book moves are book moves, you don't need an engine to determine that. When there is a deviation from the book like the a4 move as the OP's opponent made, there isn't a direct way to punish him, which is also why his comment about punishing the poor play was made. His explanations for why are correct. You are attacking this guy as if he attacked someone else...which he didn't even do. A person posted a game for analysis and critique, and got it without being subjected to shame. Improvement doesn't just come in the form of making correct moves, it also comes in proper mindset and perspective, and that is what he offered the OP.
Apr 19, 2020
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#16
tonyklemm wrote:
PopcornSC wrote:
SoupTime4 wrote:
kaukasar wrote:
SoupTime4 wrote:
The problem with 3...Bb4 is it doesn't do anything. Sure it develops a piece, but that's it. You always want to try and find moves that limit what you're opponent can do. After your third move, white can play pretty much whatever he wants. But after 3...Nc6 which still develops a piece. It also does the following: Prevents white from paying 4.d4 (opening principles). The knight covers both d4-b4. Protects e5.
I think you're over using the word "punish" Their are going to be times when their is nothing to punish. And all you have to do is play good, solid, fundamental moves.
Thanks for your mini-analysis. I wanted to have the option of castle quickly, which Bb4 enables, so there is another purpose to it than just develop. It is even better if white plays a4. But i get that Nc6 is having other benefits like you mentioned. I would say that those moves are about equal, although the engine prefers Bb4 slightly over Nc6.
Keep in mind that youre not playing an engine. In fact, unless you plan on making a rating of 3600? You dont need to be concerned with what an engine thinks in the opening.
What the hell is wrong with 3... Bb4? If you're going to talk down to someone at least suggest 3...d5 which is better and more principled than either 3... Nc6 or 3... Bb4. Btw after 3...Bb4, 4.d4 is bad anyway so both moves "stop" d4. OP played a fairly nice game that definitely has some instructional value but instead of pointing out anything instructional you latched on to the first move you thought you could improve and proceeded to shove your foot in your mouth and defend it stubbornly even when proven wrong. You should see a doctor about getting head reduction surgery.
How is he talking down to the OP??? There is nothing here that suggests he is talking down to the guy. He is 100% correct in suggesting that depending on an engine is not important in the opening. Book moves are book moves, you don't need an engine to determine that. When there is a deviation from the book like the a4 move as the OP's opponent made, there isn't a direct way to punish him, which is also why his comment about punishing the poor play was made. His explanations for why are correct. You are attacking this guy as if he attacked someone else...which he didn't even do. A person posted a game for analysis and critique, and got it without being subjected to shame. Improvement doesn't just come in the form of making correct moves, it also comes in proper mindset and perspective, and that is what he offered the OP.
Yeah, well, look at this game. This patzer played like the OP with 3.Bb5.
Instead, he should have done as @souptime4 suggests and play 3.Nc3 to prevent d5.
llama44 wrote:
tonyklemm wrote:
PopcornSC wrote:
SoupTime4 wrote:
kaukasar wrote:
SoupTime4 wrote:
The problem with 3...Bb4 is it doesn't do anything. Sure it develops a piece, but that's it. You always want to try and find moves that limit what you're opponent can do. After your third move, white can play pretty much whatever he wants. But after 3...Nc6 which still develops a piece. It also does the following: Prevents white from paying 4.d4 (opening principles). The knight covers both d4-b4. Protects e5.
I think you're over using the word "punish" Their are going to be times when their is nothing to punish. And all you have to do is play good, solid, fundamental moves.
Thanks for your mini-analysis. I wanted to have the option of castle quickly, which Bb4 enables, so there is another purpose to it than just develop. It is even better if white plays a4. But i get that Nc6 is having other benefits like you mentioned. I would say that those moves are about equal, although the engine prefers Bb4 slightly over Nc6.
Keep in mind that youre not playing an engine. In fact, unless you plan on making a rating of 3600? You dont need to be concerned with what an engine thinks in the opening.
What the hell is wrong with 3... Bb4? If you're going to talk down to someone at least suggest 3...d5 which is better and more principled than either 3... Nc6 or 3... Bb4. Btw after 3...Bb4, 4.d4 is bad anyway so both moves "stop" d4. OP played a fairly nice game that definitely has some instructional value but instead of pointing out anything instructional you latched on to the first move you thought you could improve and proceeded to shove your foot in your mouth and defend it stubbornly even when proven wrong. You should see a doctor about getting head reduction surgery.
How is he talking down to the OP??? There is nothing here that suggests he is talking down to the guy. He is 100% correct in suggesting that depending on an engine is not important in the opening. Book moves are book moves, you don't need an engine to determine that. When there is a deviation from the book like the a4 move as the OP's opponent made, there isn't a direct way to punish him, which is also why his comment about punishing the poor play was made. His explanations for why are correct. You are attacking this guy as if he attacked someone else...which he didn't even do. A person posted a game for analysis and critique, and got it without being subjected to shame. Improvement doesn't just come in the form of making correct moves, it also comes in proper mindset and perspective, and that is what he offered the OP.
Yeah, well, look at this game. This patzer played like the OP with 3.Bb5.
Instead, he should have done as @souptime4 suggests and play 3.Nc3 to prevent d5.
it makes no difference about if he was right about a particular continuation. he was right in his reasonings and was in no way attacking that guy. and why bother posting a game with a completely different opening position and players? that makes no sense.
The OP posted a game that began with c4, you posted a game featuring the sicilian between grandmasters. At the very least, you saw some congruency between the pawn structure, even if it was backwards, but the position is completely different.
Apr 19, 2020
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#18
So he was wrong, but that's ok because his reasoning was correct?
Let me ask you something, if the rule you followed brought you to this... of what use was the rule?
llama44 wrote:
So he was wrong, but that's ok because his reasoning was correct?
Let me ask you something, if the rule you followed brought you to this... of what use was the rule?
All I'm saying is, he wasn't attacking the guy. You didn't need to rush to the OP's defense as if he was being publicly destroyed.