Here's a game I chanced upon while browsing the forums, i.e. I'm not either player:
That game is more of an example of why someone should just quit chess....
LOL. Right On.
Here's a game I chanced upon while browsing the forums, i.e. I'm not either player:
That game is more of an example of why someone should just quit chess....
LOL. Right On.
Play enough games and of course you are going to find examples of people who threw away won positions when they were a piece up. But how often does that happen if you are, say, over 1500? 5% of the time? 2%? Is it really worth playing on down a rook just for that slim chance?
I don't buy the low rating argument. I've seen people actually play tournament games out to mate against +2000-rated opponents. Twenty or so moves when one side was a piece up. Do you think anyone watching the game was impressed by the fighting spirit of the losing side? On the contrary, they were all muttering "what a jerk".
Twenty or so years ago,it was considered to be very bad form to play on a piece down, let alone play a game out to mate. Not anymore. I for one consider it a slap in the face when someone plays a game with me out to mate. It's as if they are saying, "yeah, even though you outplayed me well enough to win a piece, I still think there's a good chance you can't win". Obviously a lot of people feel same as I do. And now you are trying to justify bad manners with this thread?
I explained the motivation of this thread in the OP. It's definitely not to argue whether or not one should resign in a lost position.
I explained the motivation of this thread in the OP. It's definitely not to argue whether or not one should resign in a lost position.
Wait a minute. You ask people to post games where they were justified in playing on in a lost postiion, and then you try and claim that the purpose of this thread is not to argue whether or not one should resign in a lost position? Seriously? Do you not see the contradiction?
No. I'm sorry. Even as the OP, you don't get to post data and then deny people the opportunity to discuss whether that data is actually meaningful.
This is a game i played live last night after a couple of drinks and i think it fits perfectly in this thread. After a mistake i was left with a knight against a bishop and a rook. My opponent was lower rated than me and i figured i could try to confuse him with some fancy knight tricks before i resign. After a few moves i forked his rook with his king and eventually i saw a stalemate opportunity and he fell for it thinking i was offering him my knight for free!
Nice one, as if you are stalemated, sacrifice all your material, but make sure the stalemating pieces don't catch the material! (Because they could "unstalemate" you.)
Never resign!!
Heehee, but I don't think any player is stupid enough to do that.
No. I'm sorry. Even as the OP, you don't get to post data and then deny people the opportunity to discuss whether that data is actually meaningful.
Check the title of the thread again: it says "THIS is why people don't resign", not "THIS is why people shouldn't resign". There are numerous threads where people discuss the ethics of resigning vs. playing on, and this thread is not one of them. Instead, this thread is meant to offer amusing examples of games where not resigning actually paid off. Just because there are a few such cases doesn't justify this kind of behavior in general.
If it makes you feel better, think of the title of the thread as "THIS is why people don't resign even though I am utterly convinced that they should, but now I get to laugh at them and their patzer opponents who failed to beat these idiots".
Play enough games and of course you are going to find examples of people who threw away won positions when they were a piece up. But how often does that happen if you are, say, over 1500? 5% of the time? 2%? Is it really worth playing on down a rook just for that slim chance?
I don't buy the low rating argument. I've seen people actually play tournament games out to mate against +2000-rated opponents. Twenty or so moves when one side was a piece up. Do you think anyone watching the game was impressed by the fighting spirit of the losing side? On the contrary, they were all muttering "what a jerk".
Twenty or so years ago,it was considered to be very bad form to play on a piece down, let alone play a game out to mate. Not anymore. I for one consider it a slap in the face when someone plays a game with me out to mate. It's as if they are saying, "yeah, even though you outplayed me well enough to win a piece, I still think there's a good chance you can't win". Obviously a lot of people feel same as I do. And now you are trying to justify bad manners with this thread?
I agree. with a piece down you made a mistake in the first place. to beat an opponent with a higher rating you cant make a mistake(!!!!!!); and have to see something farther into the future than your opponent. it comes down to what you made was a mistake and your opponent inherits your mistakes down the line. for you to take advantage of that is patronizing. for you to win because of that is obsession or desperation. i like to resign when i see that i am obviously beaten that at that moment in time. it makes me feel more of a gentleman than a degenrate winner. lol.
Can we post counter examples? Black is 1895. So the "trying to learn technique" argument doesn't fly. I finally got sick of watching this guy just move his rook back and forth so I willingly gave up my extra rook to get rid of his. Two queens and two pieces down and he still plays on. THIS is what pisses off those of us on the "just resign already" side of the argument. Do you really think I enjoyed playing out such a position?
And looking at your rating and your games, Ivan, my man, I can tell you know a good move when you see one.
LOL!
Never resign!!
Heehee, but I don't think any player is stupid enough to do that.
tell that to Jeremy Silman
Seriously?
I just love his books...
This is a good one - both of us made blunders aplenty here, we had a couple of ridiculous but entertaining games!