How many illegal moves are allowed in the recent rules worldwide

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Can you please say how much because I lost a  offline game due to 1 illegal move cry.png. Pls say so that i can check into the game 

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I think two illegal moves are allowed. The second time you make an illegal move you lose.

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Yes even I thought the same but my teacher said only one according to new rules so I need a expert to say correctly so that I can say my teacher 

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For classical time control:

7.4 a. If during a game it is found that an illegal move, including failing to meet the
requirements of the promotion of a pawn or capturing the opponent’s king, has
been completed, the position immediately before the irregularity shall be
reinstated. If the position immediately before the irregularity cannot be determined
the game shall continue from the last identifiable position prior to the irregularity.
The clocks shall be adjusted according to Article 6.13. The Articles 4.3 and 4.6 apply
to the move replacing the illegal move. The game shall then continue from this reinstated position.
b. After the action taken under Article 7.4.a, for the first two illegal moves by a player
the arbiter shall give two minutes extra time to his opponent in each instance; for a
third illegal move by the same player, the arbiter shall declare the game lost by this
player. However, the game is drawn if the position is such that the opponent cannot
checkmate the player’s king by any possible series of legal moves.

For rapid play:

c. An illegal move is completed once the opponent's clock has been started. The
opponent is then entitled to claim that the player completed an illegal move before
the claimant has made his move. Only after such a claim, shall the arbiter make a
ruling. However, if both Kings are in check or the promotion of a pawn is not
completed, the arbiter shall intervene, if possible.

For blitz:

c. An illegal move is completed once the opponent’s clock has been started. The
opponent is entitled to claim a win before he has made his own move. However, if the
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opponent cannot checkmate the player’s king by any possible series of legal moves,
then the claimant is entitled to claim a draw before he has made his own move. Once
the opponent has made his own move, an illegal move cannot be corrected unless
mutually agreed without intervention of an arbiter.

https://www.fide.com/FIDE/handbook/LawsOfChess.pdf 

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c. An illegal move is completed once the opponent's clock has been started. The
opponent is then entitled to claim that the player completed an illegal move before
the claimant has made his move. Only after such a claim, shall the arbiter make a
ruling. However, if both Kings are in check or the promotion of a pawn is not
completed, the arbiter shall intervene, if possible.>>

Sadly for FIDE as usual, this seems incorrect because here, the word "once" is ambiguous or irrelevant. Presumably they mean "after"?

Avatar of ADITHYA_SMART

Actually I didn't use chess cloak so what rules does that come in? 

Avatar of tygxc

#5
Yes, "once" = "after".
Thus:
in classical 2 illegal moves allowed, 2 minutes extra time for opponent.
In rapid arbiter decides i.e. 0 or 1 or 2
In blitz 1 illegal move = loss.

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#6
Without a chess clock the classical time control applies.

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tygxc wrote:

#5
Yes, "once" = "after".
Thus:
in classical 2 illegal moves allowed, 2 minutes extra time for opponent.
In rapid arbiter decides i.e. 0 or 1 or 2
In blitz 1 illegal move = loss.

Does that include moving with both hands or pressing clock before completing move?

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I mean in blitz.

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#9
c. The players must handle the chess clock properly. It is forbidden to punch it forcibly,
to pick it up or to knock it over. Improper clock handling shall be penalised in
accordance with Article 13.4.


13.4 The arbiter can apply one or more of the following penalties:
a. warning
b. increasing the remaining time of the opponent
c. reducing the remaining time of the offending player
d. declaring the game to be lost
e. reducing the points scored in the game by the offending party
f. increasing the points scored in the game by the opponent to the maximum available
for that game
g. expulsion from the event

Avatar of justbefair

Was it a tournament game?

Normally, they announce if games are going to be rated or not and what rules are being followed.

If they didn't make any announcement and you didn't use clocks-- did you keep the score? -- it was likely not a rated game and strict enforcement of tournament rules might not apply. (Illegal moves would still be illegal, however.)

In any event, even if it was a rated game, you can't go back the day after and get the result changed.

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#12
"6.2 a. When using a chess clock, each player must make a minimum number of moves or
all moves in an allotted period of time and/or may be allocated an additional
amount of time with each move. All these must be specified in advance."
This implies other FIDE Laws of Chess even apply when not using a chess clock.

Avatar of ADITHYA_SMART
justbefair wrote:

Was it a tournament game?

Normally, they announce if games are going to be rated or not and what rules are being followed.

If they didn't make any announcement and you didn't use clocks-- did you keep the score? -- it was likely not a rated game and strict enforcement of tournament rules might not apply. (Illegal moves would still be illegal, however.)

In any event, even if it was a rated game, you can't go back the day after and get the result changed.

It was a chess school selection for tournaments so I was playing with my opponent without a chess cloak but following rules and accidentally moved a knight which was protect my king from check. It was an illegal move and my opponent said I lost because in a chess game there is only one illegal move and my teacher said like that but I when I went tournament it is two. So I needed to know which is right? So that I can tell my my teacher.The scoring are not registered. 

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Optimissed wrote:

c. An illegal move is completed once the opponent's clock has been started. The
opponent is then entitled to claim that the player completed an illegal move before
the claimant has made his move. Only after such a claim, shall the arbiter make a
ruling. However, if both Kings are in check or the promotion of a pawn is not
completed, the arbiter shall intervene, if possible.>>

Sadly for FIDE as usual, this seems incorrect because here, the word "once" is ambiguous or irrelevant. Presumably they mean "after"?

I see no ambiguity. It does mean "after".

Avatar of Optimissed

"Once" carries two implications. One of those is "soon after" or "immediately after", the latter with the same type of priority as "instantly". However, there's a second, weaker inference, which is that if I say I'll do that once I've done this, then it implies not only that I'll do it soon after this but that this is something which should and will be done first and that's due to the implication of "immediately after". We can see from the example, however, that this wasn't done: so the second implication cannot apply. No doubt if we look at a dictionary, it may give the two words as synonymous but they aren't. It illustrates that dictionaries are rough and ready guides only. We're talking about how words are normally used and dictionaries aren't prescriptive but descriptive.

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#17
The wording "once" makes sense: it means immediately after, not a week or a month after.

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But it implies that the first thing was done: ie, the clock was pressed, so at best it's confusing and ambiguous. What's wrong with being clear and using "after"?

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#14
The FIDE Laws of Chess apply even without a clock.
As there is no clock it is neither rapid nor blitz.
Hence 2 illegal moves allowed.

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#19
The problem with 'after' would be that you could claim some moves after or even hours or days after. The meaning of 'once' is clearly immediately after.