It's a 300 point rating difference, not 1300. It happens sometimes.
2014 Chess Olympiad (Tromsø)
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Reb wrote:
varelse1 wrote:
Seriously?! Kamsky lost to a 2399? I mean, really?!
This is why the top players only tend to play closed events against other top players . They cannot maintain their bloated ratings if they play in Opens .
Kamsky regularly plays in open tournaments.
MSC157 wrote:
Regardimg previous discussion. I mean, I would be helluva happy to represent whichever underdog country and I would try as hard as I could. As I already said, I still better than many players there. How can I represent Mauritius in 2016? ;)
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I was wondering about that. Can a class A or expert level player just move (temporarily?) to one of these countries where they would be a top level player for that country & get to play on their Olympiad team? Heck, looking at some of these teams even a class C, D, or even class E player (!!) can be on the team.
Ivan Saric of Crotia will win the award for top performance on board one. He is player to watch for the future.
varelse1 wrote:
Seriously?! Kamsky lost to a 2399? I mean, really?!
He is not the same player he once was. Even when he won this year's US Chess Championship, his play was not impressive.
Its not just the fact that he lost (With white no less) but how he lost. He was winning at one point (+3.00) according to stockfish and then his play becomes unrecognizable. If you looked at the moves from this point, without knowing the identity, no way could you say it was someone 2700 playing. In fact, its hard to give this play any rating at all.
If I was the team Captain I would let the reserve play and send Kamsky home. I would rather have someone who is trying, then someone who is just going through the motions. The US has not chance at a Medal at this point anyways.
I want to give Kamsky a big hug
"This is why the top players only tend to play closed events against other top players . They cannot maintain their bloated ratings if they play in Opens"
I think it more has to do with that there is no challenge in preferring opens against "weakies" instead of top events. I don't think the ratings are "bloated", in the first round the top teams scored 52-0 but as soon as there is an upset people say the top players are overrated :-) Kamsky is just in bad form and has dropped from 2750+ to below 2700 in a short time.
Reb wrote:
varelse1 wrote:
Seriously?! Kamsky lost to a 2399? I mean, really?!
This is why the top players only tend to play closed events against other top players . They cannot maintain their bloated ratings if they play in Opens .
The worst offender was Peter Leko. I don't think he has ever played in an open tournament in his life. He would draw almost all his games too.
79Abraxas79 wrote:
Ivan Saric of Crotia will win the award for top performance on board one. He is player to watch for the future.
Thanks for pointing out Ivan Saric. This game was very agressive. He was flying!
https://chess24.com/en/olympiad2014/live/olympiad2014open/4/17/1
Saric and Urkedal doesnt play like Carlsen. They play a lot sharper, taking more risk, but so far they are getting away with it. I hope they meet eachother, that could be blistering.
Another fantastic Saric-game, with black beating the stong GM Bassem Amin
https://chess24.com/en/olympiad2014/live/olympiad2014open/2/27/1
fabelhaft wrote:
"This is why the top players only tend to play closed events against other top players . They cannot maintain their bloated ratings if they play in Opens"
I think it more has to do with that there is no challenge in preferring opens against "weakies" instead of top events. I don't think the ratings are "bloated", in the first round the top teams scored 52-0 but as soon as there is an upset people say the top players are overrated :-) Kamsky is just in bad form and has dropped from 2750+ to below 2700 in a short time.
Exactly. People who say super GMs ratings are bloated are quite dumb. The super GMs almost always beat lower rated GMs when they play them, right? Well, the lower GMs almost always win against lower rated players in the open tournament, so logically the super GMs would win even more. It's funny that the same people often turn around and say other chess.com players have bloated ratings because they play mostly lower rated opponents. I think they are just insecure about there own ratings.
The 1600s who say this have their ratings bloated because they don't play enough 800s, right? That's their logic.
Kramnik has decided to face Topalov!
79Abraxas79 wrote:
varelse1 wrote:
Seriously?! Kamsky lost to a 2399? I mean, really?!
He is not the same player he once was. Even when he won this year's US Chess Championship, his play was not impressive.
Its not just the fact that he lost (With white no less) but how he lost. He was winning at one point (+3.00) according to stockfish and then his play becomes unrecognizable. If you looked at the moves from this point, without knowing the identity, no way could you say it was someone 2700 playing. In fact, its hard to give this play any rating at all.
If I was the team Captain I would let the reserve play and send Kamsky home. I would rather have someone who is trying, then someone who is just going through the motions. The US has not chance at a Medal at this point anyways.
Kamsky wasn't impressive at the Philadelphia Open either. He's already said he's retiring after this year though.
Kamsky not playing today.
Opposite colored bishops endgame in Aronian - Carlsen. Aronian up a pawn but it looks drawish.
OMG get Nigel Short off of my screen. I'm going to be sick.
Kramnik sacs the exchange for one of his standard passed pawn positions.
New victory for Urkedal on Norway 2 today. I think this was a very aggressive opening and hardpushing game? What do you think?
https://chess24.com/en/olympiad2014/live/olympiad2014open/4/25/1