2024 FIDE World Rapid & Blitz Championships: Official Discussion Thread

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SymphonicKnight wrote:
ungewichtet wrote:
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In general, it would seem that being a tournament winner in general is more in line with your mode of thought, it being merely a momentary and fun event, but the Title of the Tournament, World Blitz Championship, removes any hesitation about wanting to find The blitz champion ... the Blitz Champion.

I think in the end that a 44 round Swiss would entail facing most of the Top 30, as would everyone else in the Top 30.

I don't know.. a championship brings together players to play a championship. Doesn't imply there must be one champion, two or more in the end.

I made the point earlier, that for reasons of modesty it would be a fair move to have chess tournaments end with two winners by default. I continued that playing it out until error and ingenuity meet and a winner emerges is a fair and modest move too: not trying to pretend we could ever or should play perfect and draw, rather highlight human error is cool and allows learning and winning.

A 4-day Swiss would be good in a computer championship. For humans, it is not easy to fight at the same level of motivation once they drop out of contention for the prizes. A short Swiss includes dice rolls, but it allows players to shine who could not prove it and prove it over and over again. That brings forth their best! And makes them test the truly best the most. And over the course of 5 or 8 years, the dice rolls do not prevent probability to show which players are the best over time. Could there be prizes all the way down to the last place, and to the last round of a, say, 3-day-Swiss, money for every half point to keep motivation aglow? Do we want that? Maybe. Or maybe a few dice rolls are cooler and sweeter

Let me think about some formula that would guarantee everybody some money while also guaranteeing greater awards to the winners.

I understood nothing what u said

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SAMAR12_11 wrote:
SymphonicKnight wrote:
ungewichtet wrote:
SymphonicKnight wrote:

In general, it would seem that being a tournament winner in general is more in line with your mode of thought, it being merely a momentary and fun event, but the Title of the Tournament, World Blitz Championship, removes any hesitation about wanting to find The blitz champion ... the Blitz Champion.

I think in the end that a 44 round Swiss would entail facing most of the Top 30, as would everyone else in the Top 30.

I don't know.. a championship brings together players to play a championship. Doesn't imply there must be one champion, two or more in the end.

I made the point earlier, that for reasons of modesty it would be a fair move to have chess tournaments end with two winners by default. I continued that playing it out until error and ingenuity meet and a winner emerges is a fair and modest move too: not trying to pretend we could ever or should play perfect and draw, rather highlight human error is cool and allows learning and winning.

A 4-day Swiss would be good in a computer championship. For humans, it is not easy to fight at the same level of motivation once they drop out of contention for the prizes. A short Swiss includes dice rolls, but it allows players to shine who could not prove it and prove it over and over again. That brings forth their best! And makes them test the truly best the most. And over the course of 5 or 8 years, the dice rolls do not prevent probability to show which players are the best over time. Could there be prizes all the way down to the last place, and to the last round of a, say, 3-day-Swiss, money for every half point to keep motivation aglow? Do we want that? Maybe. Or maybe a few dice rolls are cooler and sweeter

Let me think about some formula that would guarantee everybody some money while also guaranteeing greater awards to the winners.

I understood nothing what u said

Well most importantly I think I said that the Prize fund needs to be multiplied by 4 or so for a performance point system to be effective, $2,000,000 being needed, while only $450,000 made up the most recent Blitz Prize Fund.

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Cornfed wrote:
SymphonicKnight wrote:

If $40 per point were awarded in R1, we are talking about roughly $128,000 given out total ($40*~25).....

....While a pipedream, it seems that one would need at least a $2,000,000 Prize Fund to make this equitable for the majority of the field.

Oh, it's a great idea, but not one needed for such a large tourney. Where the idea shines is in these Super GM tourneys where often the latter games are largely meaningless. Giving $$ for people to fight for all the way through the tournament is what makes it desirable.

Also...you don't award a set $$ per each game won, you do it at the end of the tournament by taking the total prize fund and dividing the bulk of it out (say 75%) by wins. You still keep the 25% for place prizes, so no one goes home empty handed. Heck...they are often given appearance fees anyway!

I have indeed also previously posited the idea of a 50/50 division in the way you posit a 75/25 division, but I posited that in the idea of a smaller supertournament, with 50% of prizes awarded by place, and 50% allotted by win fraction... e.g. say there is $100,000 available for each, which in a 10 player tournament with 25 total wins would mean $4,000 for each win, the winner then receiving $20,000 for an exhibitive +5=3-1 result (in addition, for example, to the $40,000 for outright 1st (meaning $60,000 total), while the 2nd might then receive for a +3=5-2 result a $25,000 second place prize plus the 3(4,000) $12,000 point/win prize, so roughly $37,000)).

But I believe that you are correct in saying that, in the 256 player super-KO proposed, a 75/25 ration might be better.

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Except for the unknown good players, it's bad for them...

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ChessAGC_YT wrote:

Except for the unknown good players, it's bad for them...

What is bad for them?

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I think that generally tis system would greatly award the noobs who are struggling to make their mark.

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SymphonicKnight wrote:
ChessAGC_YT wrote:

Except for the unknown good players, it's bad for them...

What is bad for them?

They don't get those bonuses just for showing up.

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SymphonicKnight wrote:

I think that generally tis system would greatly award the noobs who are struggling to make their mark.

nah, that's a: s k i l l, I s s u e.

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ChessAGC_YT wrote:
SymphonicKnight wrote:

I think that generally tis system would greatly award the noobs who are struggling to make their mark.

nah, that's a: s k i l l, I s s u e.

Well, with a $2,000,000 total prize fund, one could award $100 per point in the first round, so that a very skilled noob might even make $1000, challenging as that would actually be, some 15 year-old 2700 even then trying to score 10-15 vs Carlsen.

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nah that's so farfetched

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$500 isn't though. 5-20. Perhaps I am mistaken in thinking that 15 year old players should even take the bait, and only the Top 128 should even think of entering?

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"$500 isn't enough" for a kid, that's like winning the lottery, now shush.

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_If_they get their tournament entry and travel fare expenses taken care of by their federations, sure, but no kid can afford the $2000 air fare by themselves.

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unless they live there

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Only US kids, or Uzbeki kids, could have afforded most recent tournaments. But e.g. Lazavik? How does he get there?

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Or Murzin? Both outstanding and going to dominate in 10 years time.

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I'm from Russia °*°

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Hi I'm from india