2100 online - 1400 blitz?

I am playing against a certain guy. He is rated 2100, I am 2000. We have already played 2 games, I manage to draw the first one and lost the second one. In current game I am a bit better I think that I have pretty good winning chances, so I am pretty excited that I can win against such a strong opponent. I have just checked his live profil and I was shocked. This guy is 1400 in blitz. I am 1800 in blitz. With all respect, 1400 is no opposition. I invest quite a lot of time in correspondence chess I did manage to get over 2100 only for a while. I just do not get it how he can be 2100 in correspondence and 1400 in blitz. And his correspondence rating is not boosted by playing against weaker opponets. His average opponent is 2136, he scored +46 -9 =10. Now I am suspicions, disgusted, I have a feeling that no matter what a pisition is, I will not win anyway. I do not want to accuse anyone of cheating, I just do not understand such a big discrepancy. Have you guys come accros such a big difference between correspondence and blitz? It is normal? I know that all this has been debated tousands of times but I am still interested in your opinion.

Yes, it is very normal to make hypothetical rating comparisons like you are doing now, especially on the Interweb.

Surprising indeed, and suspicious. I have Chess Master which grades you slowly as you play more and more games. I genrally play blitz games not too fast about 15-20 mins but have never been able to climb much above 1450.

Playing longer games hardly improves this I may get to 1550.  

I suppose we must remember to some people the 'Ego' is of supreme importance and they will do anything to boost their appearance to the world at large.

Same kind of thing happened to me

I am playing against an opponent rated 2060 in online chess, my rating is 2090. If you look at his online chess profile he deserves his rating having played against strong opponents. However when I looked at his live chess profile his blitz rating is around 1350 and he has played over 1000 blitz games on chess.com! My blitz rating here is 1750 and I'd easily beat anyone with 1350 in blitz. Also his time per move is only 1 hour so he doesn't seem to be spending a lot of time on each move.

So, either he's cheating in online chess or just unbelievably bad at blitz.

Well, it is for the second time I play an opponent like this, but for the first time I noticed his blitz rating only after a game. It is all very suspicious. I do not believe that using DB can boost your rating by 700-800 points.

I wouldn't read too much into it. My online rating is 2178 and my blitz rating is 1130. Granted, I only played six blitz games before I realized that it wasn't really my thing. Some people just need more time to think than others. If you're one of such people, you're going to benefit a lot from the relaxed pace of correspondence chess.

Another thing that's different is the use of opening books and databases. Before I realized that it was allowed to do so in CC, my rating was hovering somewhere around 1600 (which is where my standard live chess rating is). After I started to research the opening at the start of each game, my CC rating soared - in fact, it still hasn't stopped rising. So, yes; what you describe is entirely possible without cheating.

I do not believe you understand how ratings work.

Think off it this way. Someone can have a huge positional understanding and endgame knowledge, but still needs time to not blunder away a piece in a simple 3-move combo. You can have the positional understanding off Anand, it won't matter if you give away your pieces.

It's nothing strange, you can find several players in the same situation here. For example in the past my blitz rating was 1300-1400 since i had a very unstable internet connection and i often lose on time after a disconnection. Now i am 1650 blitz and 1917 online, which is quite normal here (online ratings are usually higher).

There are several reasons which can explain the 2100-1400 difference, such as the seriousness one put in blitz games. And there is no way a player can mantain a rating as low as 2100 while using a computer for the key moves.

I've had a similar experience.  My opponent ended up with a rating of 1900+ with no losses.  His live chess rating was about 1350.  I played thru one his live games and his play was terrible.  Happily he no longer plays on chess.com.

Some people just are not good in blitz.

I am now about 1500 in blitz (and I actually do my best to win) and I'm 1600 in correspondance, but I lose many games unneccesary due time outs and I almost never play a correspondance game seriously.
I rarely make a move with thinking longer dan a minute. So you can assume that if I'd actually tried (which I did for a while, I went to 1700 and then the time outs and blitzing of moves began) I would be higher rated. Which is by the way why I quit correspondance, I just can't show interest in it.

When I still was 1700 rated here I had a blitz rating of 1350.

Then this would be a pretty big gap aswell. I have the same OTB, there are players who do not stand a change against me OTB but when we blitz I actually lose.

So I wouldn't seek to much behind this.

I don't know how you get such high online ratings...

My blitz is 1700, standard is 1800, bullet is 2100 but my online rating is only 1500.

I find that a 1700 player in online chess plays better moves than a 1900 player in blitz chess, which is nearing the master range in live chess!

Well it's quite logical that having 3 days instead of 15 seconds to decide how to defend against the opponent attack improves the quality  possibly you are a very fast thinker that has become accustomed to playing fast at the point of lacking depth when more time is given...i never surpassed 1700 in blitz but i have reached 1900 online without much effort (and despite several bad blunders), so maybe i have the opposite problem! I don't think you should estimate your strenght with your bullet rating because frankly speaking bullet is just a different game vaguely related with chess. 

Thanks a lot for opinions guys. However, I do not think that having a 15 second vs. 3 days should make such a difference, as everybody has the same advantage and rating measures your relative strenght, not absulute quaility of your play. But it is true that the set of playsrs might be different.

Many  players play blitz just for fun not RATINGS they only get serious in longer time controls. Some live and die for blitz chess it all depends on your motivation, Just because the rating for  the two  do not match-up to accuse people of cheating is ABSURD !!

I did not accuse anyone. I find it strange. If my blitz rating was 300 and online rating 3000, woud you not find it strange? I find 700-point difference also strange. And I do not think that if 2100 player plays 1000+ blitz games for fun, he would not be able to cross 1500. If you have chess understaning of 2100, I think it is very improbable, that you would play biltz so bad.

Just because you think it's improbable doesn't make it improbable.

imagine taking 1 to 3 hrs in your garden in the evening, a cold drink and your greatest chess set arranged in the position of the online chess. open the internet trough wireless, open databases or read some books about the opening, possible  middlegame or so on and only then compare the quality of your chosen moves with the ones from 15 second blitz.

I am not saying that he is or not a cheater but there are persons who take their time to solve a chess situation.

BTW my online chess rating is somewhere around 1550  (my best win was against a 1780 player) and my chess960 rating is 908 after 3 games. when i saw 960 is not for me I left it like it was and i am not ashamed of it.

Blitz rating is much harder to build high than correspondence rating in my opinion.

I have gotten my blitz rating a bit over 1600 before, but my online rating has been over 1900 before (less now because I lost like 10 games when I went on vacation from time)

In blitz I make way more blunders, on longer time controls I can use that extra time to process in my head stronger lines so that my can both attack and defend much better.

In countless blitz games I have lost either on time trying to convert a small advantage (had I more time into a winning advantage) or by not taking the time, and marching ahead with inaccuracy causing me to lose or draw.

Longer time controls favors the stronger player in my opinion, and here is why:

for example if person X sees say 3 moves per second and Person Y sees 2 moves per second then person Y has a better chance in a game where they are limited to 1 second per move than in a game where they have 1 minute per move because person X is more likely to find more winning moves with more time.

RoboFreak... You are right. It explains why online games are of greater quality then blitz. But I also take my time on online chess. I am also much better in online than in blitz. The fact that you have more time online is not an argument, because everyone has more time.

I claim, that I will win 80%-90% of blitz games against 1400 player (me being 1800 in blitz). How come that I cannot beat the same person online? I invest lots of time in online as well and I have only once beat 2100 player. He uses DB, o.k.. But is this enough to explain the thing? I do not know.