4 bishops or four knighits.
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Fair enough. Which stock fish version?
Okay.
So your money is on the bishops?
Perhaps you should try it under both black and white, eg. 4 bishops under white, 4 Knights under black, and then 4 bishops under black and 4 Knights under white, just to be sure we get an accurate reading.
So you just did it?
Well that's a bit of a bummer.
But I feel at lower levels in guts would be stronger.
Well that's a bit of a bummer.
But I feel at lower levels in guts would be stronger.
Aug 16, 2017
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#50
i will. white will get a slight bias anyway because it goes first.
Aug 16, 2017
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#52
four knights white vs four bishops black. it said -0.62 (black has an advantage.)
four bishops white vs four knights black is a shocking +1.30 (winning for white.)
engines love those bishops.
Aug 16, 2017
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#53
four knights white vs normal black 0.00 (exactly equal)
four bishops white vs normal black +0.93 (white is winning)
So it has a disadvantage. Wow.
Even against normal black board! Shocking! I guess that's the way the cookie crumbles.
Even against normal black board! Shocking! I guess that's the way the cookie crumbles.
Aug 16, 2017
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#55
keep in mind that against two average or below players that the knights could be a useful tool but objectively not as good.
True. But I have to say I am genuinely surprised but the result.
The four bishops are useless if all of them are same colored.
The terms of our original comment- the bishops replace the Knights.
This includes position. You have 2 for each colour.
This includes position. You have 2 for each colour.
Aug 19, 2017
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#59
gingerninja2003 wrote:
four knights white vs four bishops black. it said -0.62 (black has an advantage.)
four bishops white vs four knights black is a shocking +1.30 (winning for white.)
engines love those bishops.
Yeah, which is why you can't really use them to evaluate a starting position like that. They can literally have a bonus for bishops coded into it. Just like when you get a late mid game positions the engine says are winning but there's no way to avoid various simple drawn endgames... they're even more unreliable in the starting position.
i just go on the stockfish on chess.com and put in the position and see what it says.