Canada1st

Sep 29, 2016

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#141

nimzomalaysian wrote:

Canada1st wrote:

nimzomalaysian wrote:

recklass wrote:

The OP has no understanding of statistics, or else he would never have used his examples. The simple fact is that the number of World Chess masters is far too small a population to make a valid conclusion. Also they are absolutely not a random sample. Period. So anyone who offers a conclusion from such a set of data would be laughed out of scientific community.

I'm glad you found my posts hilarious. Laughter is the best medicine.

Your response is cognitively dissonant and therefore direspectful. The criticisms of your alleged theory are valid. The fact that you mock them instead of addressing them proves you have no rational response and that your post is bogus.

Sir, please read the entire thread, yes around 6 pages of it before saying that I had no rational response.

I was referring to your disimissiveness. YWould it have hurt you to have answer his criticisms? For what it's worth, you have not proven your case. You have cherry picked 6 people and not demostrated any connection between chess and insanity.

nimzomalaysian

Sep 29, 2016

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#142

Canada1st wrote:

nimzomalaysian wrote:

Canada1st wrote:

nimzomalaysian wrote:

recklass wrote:

The OP has no understanding of statistics, or else he would never have used his examples. The simple fact is that the number of World Chess masters is far too small a population to make a valid conclusion. Also they are absolutely not a random sample. Period. So anyone who offers a conclusion from such a set of data would be laughed out of scientific community.

I'm glad you found my posts hilarious. Laughter is the best medicine.

Your response is cognitively dissonant and therefore direspectful. The criticisms of your alleged theory are valid. The fact that you mock them instead of addressing them proves you have no rational response and that your post is bogus.

Sir, please read the entire thread, yes around 6 pages of it before saying that I had no rational response.

I was referring to your disimissiveness. YWould it have hurt you to have answer his criticisms? For what it's worth, you have not proven your case. You have cherry picked 6 people and not demostrated any connection between chess and insanity.

Lol, I have not cherry picked those masters, please think before you type something. All those were world champions. Your argument would have made sense if I had picked some random 2500 rated IMs and GMs, it's not the case here.

put2square

Sep 29, 2016

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#143

Bilbo21 wrote:

Luckily I am safe. I don't have a life or a brain.

Too funny.

Canada1st

Oct 3, 2016

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#144

nimzomalaysian wrote:

Canada1st wrote:

nimzomalaysian wrote:

Canada1st wrote:

nimzomalaysian wrote:

recklass wrote:

The OP has no understanding of statistics, or else he would never have used his examples. The simple fact is that the number of World Chess masters is far too small a population to make a valid conclusion. Also they are absolutely not a random sample. Period. So anyone who offers a conclusion from such a set of data would be laughed out of scientific community.

I'm glad you found my posts hilarious. Laughter is the best medicine.

Your response is cognitively dissonant and therefore direspectful. The criticisms of your alleged theory are valid. The fact that you mock them instead of addressing them proves you have no rational response and that your post is bogus.

Sir, please read the entire thread, yes around 6 pages of it before saying that I had no rational response.

I was referring to your disimissiveness. YWould it have hurt you to have answer his criticisms? For what it's worth, you have not proven your case. You have cherry picked 6 people and not demostrated any connection between chess and insanity.

Lol, I have not cherry picked those masters, please think before you type something. All those were world champions. Your argument would have made sense if I had picked some random 2500 rated IMs and GMs, it's not the case here.

On the contrary, my argument does make sense but you are such an inept and smug arguer that you do not address criticism. You made the categorical claim that these 6 grandmasters prove chess kills the brain, but you offer no evidence, just your own bias and simplistic rhetoric. Where's your proof? How about Carlsen, Spassky, Korchnoi, Evans, Marshall Petrosian?

You fail. Quit embarrassing yourself.

GodsPawn2016

Oct 3, 2016

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#145

Shouldnt the correct title be:

6 masters who proved that being world champion kills your brain and your life.

nimzomalaysian

Oct 3, 2016

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#146

Canada1st wrote:

nimzomalaysian wrote:

Canada1st wrote:

nimzomalaysian wrote:

Canada1st wrote:

nimzomalaysian wrote:

recklass wrote:

The OP has no understanding of statistics, or else he would never have used his examples. The simple fact is that the number of World Chess masters is far too small a population to make a valid conclusion. Also they are absolutely not a random sample. Period. So anyone who offers a conclusion from such a set of data would be laughed out of scientific community.

I'm glad you found my posts hilarious. Laughter is the best medicine.

Your response is cognitively dissonant and therefore direspectful. The criticisms of your alleged theory are valid. The fact that you mock them instead of addressing them proves you have no rational response and that your post is bogus.

Sir, please read the entire thread, yes around 6 pages of it before saying that I had no rational response.

I was referring to your disimissiveness. YWould it have hurt you to have answer his criticisms? For what it's worth, you have not proven your case. You have cherry picked 6 people and not demostrated any connection between chess and insanity.

Lol, I have not cherry picked those masters, please think before you type something. All those were world champions. Your argument would have made sense if I had picked some random 2500 rated IMs and GMs, it's not the case here.

On the contrary, my argument does make sense but you are such an inept and smug arguer that you do not address criticism. You made the categorical claim that these 6 grandmasters prove chess kills the brain, but you offer no evidence, just your own bias and simplistic rhetoric. Where's your proof? How about Carlsen, Spassky, Korchnoi, Evans, Marshall Petrosian?

You fail. Quit embarrassing yourself.

I think I've posted enough proof in post #1. You're the one who's embarrassing yourself here, if you don't have anything intellectual to add, please leave.

nimzomalaysian

Oct 3, 2016

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#147

GodsPawn2016 wrote:

Shouldnt the correct title be:

6 masters who proved that being world champion kills your brain and your life.

I'm pretty sure you would have changed the title already if you were a mod Diakonia.

GodsPawn2016

Oct 3, 2016

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#148

nimzomalaysian wrote:

GodsPawn2016 wrote:

Shouldnt the correct title be:

6 masters who proved that being world champion kills your brain and your life.

I'm pretty sure you would have changed the title already if you were a mod Diakonia.

Its been made pretty clear im not a mod. My point being that your agument that chess kills brain cells, but all of your examples were world champions.

nimzomalaysian

Oct 3, 2016

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#149

GodsPawn2016 wrote:

nimzomalaysian wrote:

GodsPawn2016 wrote:

Shouldnt the correct title be:

6 masters who proved that being world champion kills your brain and your life.

I'm pretty sure you would have changed the title already if you were a mod Diakonia.

Its been made pretty clear im not a mod. My point being that your agument that chess kills brain cells, but all of your examples were world champions.

Yeah, that's the point isn't it?

GodsPawn2016

Oct 3, 2016

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#150

nimzomalaysian wrote:

GodsPawn2016 wrote:

nimzomalaysian wrote:

GodsPawn2016 wrote:

Shouldnt the correct title be:

6 masters who proved that being world champion kills your brain and your life.

I'm pretty sure you would have changed the title already if you were a mod Diakonia.

Its been made pretty clear im not a mod. My point being that your agument that chess kills brain cells, but all of your examples were world champions.

Yeah, that's the point isn't it?

Thats why i posted, the title should be:

6 masters who proved that being world champion kills your brain and your life.

Its not chess in general, its being world champion.

Murgen

Oct 3, 2016

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#151

Perhaps the title should be...

"Out of the billions of people alive, and billions who have lived and died, six may or may not have had issues caused or exacerbated by chess".

So, less than one chance in a billion of playing chess causing a person problems.

bunicula

Oct 3, 2016

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#152

that sounded like

GodsPawn2016

Oct 3, 2016

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#153

Murgen wrote:

Perhaps the title should be...

"Out of the billions of people alive, and billions who have lived and died, six may or may not have had issues caused or exacerbated by chess".

So, less than one chance in a billion of playing chess causing a person problems.

Good point but! They were all men, so cut those billions in half. Now of those half, the names mentioned came from North America, South America, and Europe, so that whittles it down even more.

Murgen

Oct 4, 2016

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#154

If we take that the logical conclusion, we can whittle it down to"World Chess Champions who had mental problems had mental problems"...

jr87

Oct 4, 2016

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#155

Bobby fisher was no embarrassment, he maybe was mislead in some of his assumptions, but at least he wasn't crazy enough to think two planes took down three WTC builds.

Stolen_Authenticity

Oct 4, 2016

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#156

I Still believe, that 'chess' as a 'major' Life pursuit.. Will 'kill'.. No more people.. {'before-their-time'} - Than, any number of Other vocations.. or, chosen life-styles ... Including, working, in an 'unfulfilling' job.. And-or, unsatisfactory/ 'off-the-job' social situation- Than chess, has its' arguably undeserved, reputation for!

the_johnjohn

Oct 6, 2016

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#157

nimzomalaysian wrote:

the_johnjohn wrote:

Prove the correlation. Otherwise your post is pointless.

That would take a lot of time, but I might prove it mathematically sometime when I'm free.

Great, I look forward to it.

Zone_5

Oct 6, 2016

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#158

Gary Kasparov hasn't gone crazy..... He even appears on Fox News!

ablankslate

Oct 7, 2016

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#159

Sticking to checkers from now on.

P_S_S_23

Oct 8, 2016

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#160

nimzomalaysian wrote:

pranavswami wrote:

nimzomalaysian wrote:

pranavswami wrote:

Those are only 6 chessplayers. Think about all the other thousands that had a good career and life? All sports have players that have been killed by things like this. Your point is clearly not backed with enough evidence. Think about it are any people in the top 10 today like that?

If you look closely, you'll find hundreds of cases where a chess master's life has ended in tradegy, I've only considered the 6 most famous players who were all world champions.

The top 10 of today are all very young, still in their 20s. It takes time for chess to deteriorate a person's mental health by modifying the neural paths. Magnus has already started to show some signs, look at his interviews, he struggles to make complete sentences when he speaks. It's just a matter of time before he turns into the next Fisher. Kramnik is a chain smoker, he was also involved in the toiletgate scandal where it was alleged that he used a computer in the toilet.

If you want to count all those hundreds of players think about every single other sport. Almost every sport has cases like these. Hundreds of millions of people have played chess. There are still many that have not been corrupted. So what about Anand? He is in his 30s to 40s and he is a clean player. And your point about Magnus is wrong. He is not struggling to complete sentences. First he is from Norway so he just has that sort of accent. Most proffesional players struggle to complete sentences considering all the people watching the and all the people that will watch them on the internet and how easily they can be critisized if their interviews are not perfect. If you had all those people watching you could you give a perfect interview?

I don't think every other sport has over 50% of its world champions either addicts or mentally ill. Again, you may say many chess players are totally fine, but look at those people who played and analyzed it for over 12 hours a day, many of them are corrupted. Yes, Anand is still in his 40s, Magnus is still in his 20s, Fisher was totally fine when he was in his 20s or 40s too, but you saw what happened to him later.

I don't think Magnus has a difficulty with English, he speaks in the same way in his mother tongue too. Look at Anand, he speaks very well even though English is not his first language.

I moved from India and I can speak english very well. Not all sports have 50% of people who have been drug addicts or gone corrupt but there have been many tests to see if chess is good for you and they have all been positive. And about Magnus stuttering again it is never easy to complete a interview with many people watching you. None of them were corrupted by chess. It could have been many outside influences.