A New Force In The Universe! AI has arrived.

I think there's another forum discussing this subject/subjects too.  I just posted in it.
But there - they're talking about jobs being replaced by machines.

The particular form of machine learning used by AlphaZero (reinforcement learning) is, in my view, a stronger flavour of artificial intelligence than those types that are most widely used (mainly supervised learning).

Surely most people would agree that a computer learning everything about how to play chess successfully from experience - only starting with knowledge of what moves are legal and what the objective of the game is - is very much artificial intelligence. By comparison, a neural network that learns to recognise which photos contain cats is impressive but has done less on its own.

seem you came back too :-p

Getting "intoxicated" by these subjects - is better than getting "drunk" on alcohol.
That's my take on it.  For me. 
Also - this website is for people who have enough spare time.  To be here.
Again - that's my take on it - for me.
Chess and chess websites are just great - for filling up time ...    

I don't think this is really to the point, alpha 0 algorithm doesn't really need to evaluate millions of posiotions because is strenght lies, in cutting the branches of the tree, so it seemengly works like human mind where you make tryes, you gather your data you make your hypothesys and you reach your conclusion, and repeat... 

I saw some of the victories alfa 0 scored against stockfish, it really seemed that alpha 0 was playing against a patzer, stockfish was playing up in material but with his pieces undeveloped and clogged up, to a human sight it looked like stockfish couldn't assess what was going on... IDK if it's really sensible speking about an engine understanding what's going on but it's clear to me that the difference (being stockfish nerfed or not) is all about the algorithm and not the number of moves per second...

The games seem surprisingly entertaining!

I agree with you about the advantage AlphaZero has.

You just said the other 90% is _used_.

It's an even worse myth than the "tongue map".

I agree its not a myth.
But "use" and "used"  are meant to refer to "useful" probably.
In other words - is the other 90% being used usefully?
And regarding the 10% "conscious" operations - is that all being used "usefully"?
Unfortunately (or fortunately) - the answer to the question "what is useful and what is not?"
would depend on who is asked. 

The unconscious brain is stupendously important. While many organisms rely entirely on it, it is important enough to humans to invest a large energy budget in it.

For example, you use it a lot when you stand up and walk. Almost any often repeated activity becomes largely subconscious (typing is another example).

@Elroch  You're correct on those points.
A point that might be missed - is that consciousness itself -
is simply a subset and consequence of the unconscious.  Consciousness is a "sensation".
Another way to say this:  Its a mistake (of unreality) to put conscious and subconscious -
in "separate boxes".  For several reasons.  I could get into those -
but I might need an invitation from anybody here - to do that ...  
Anyway - the separate terms are used to serve semantics and communication -
which are to serve us.  People get that one wrong too ...  but worse things happen.

It learned Chess in 4 hours oh wow!! driveless cars, pilotless planes soon the great technological divide, between the Haves and Have nots ..then thinking AI

Birth of Skynet ..  and they argue about Semantics 

Prof Stephen Hawking told the BBC:"The development of full artificial intelligence could spell the end of the human race."

Kyle Reese: Defense network computers. New... powerful... hooked into everything, trusted to run it all. They say it got smart, a new order of intelligence. Then it saw all people as a threat, not just the ones on the other side. Decided our fate in a microsecond: extermination.

AI isn't taking over the world anytime soon. It will try to steal your credit card info on Russian chat sites, though. 

very true.. but all little steps, little changes, the march of progress

and before you know it another chip at our loss of humanity, an age of Facebook, Amazon, faceless with out accountability, faster and quicker

for all what we have gained, what do we lose? our soul our humanity

 Albert Einstein:

"I fear the day that technology will surpass our human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots."

This is a rather slippery slope. It seems truly unwise to create anything that is capable of getting to a point where it could destroy you, and that's exactly where this is headed. Google is playing God and doing a horrid job of it. What will it take for the techies to realize new isn't always good, that forward progress is forward progress whether you're scaling a mountain or jumping off a cliff, and you can't just plow forward without the risk of learning which one you were doing while you look up at the sky, mangled, broken, and semi-conscious? Creating robots as citizens, trusting them to think for us, its just nuts. 

And that's not counting the fact that if they actually create a robot that solves chess, the game I love will be relegated to the same level as tic tic toe, with no point in playing at all because ill know who wins simply by the color of their pieces. 

Good luck finding a source for that Einstein "quote".

I saw a documentary the other day regarding driverless cars.
They were found to be hopeless.
Can you imagine the lawsuit if somebody was killed by that kind of AI?
Regarding machines "taking over" - and time travel stories about same -
there's much more of a threat by the People using such machines - Taking Over -
and that already goes on ...  

Please don't procreate, ever.

When I heard about it I was able to guess how it worked in about five seconds and he said I was right.

I am sure you said something that was right. However, I bet you did not say everything that is in the paper on the subject.>>>

That would be to assume I could write that paper in five seconds instead of the tens of thousands of hours it undoubtedly took, without knowing anything about it.

The person is called Shaubo Hue. He works for the company but didn't work on this particular project. He did send me the paper on it. I've known him since he was completing his PhD round about 2007. We were on opposite sides of the very ferocious PRC China vs. Tibet debate. Since then he lived in Manchester for a while. He was annoyed at me for my scepticism concerning this. I think my son also gets quietly annoyed at me too but I'm trying to continue to teach him to be creative. Since he got his theoretical physics PhD he worked in defence for three years and is now working at a far less demanding job, programming computers, because he needed to learn that as a professional would need to understand it. He's interested in A.I. and he was talking about taking a Masters in Electronic Engineering. He thinks it might take two years part time with the O.U. because he thinks he might not have to do any of the maths. Is that a reasonable time scale? But I'm sure he wants to work in A.I. and he thinks it's best to understand the hardware properly.