A Newbie drew Stockfish at highest level (2 draws so far)

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(Please, don't laugh at my minuature cheap plastic chess set, I grew attached to it).

GVSK1728

Never trade bishop and knight for rook. An active and centralised bishop and knight can be worth upwards of a rook and two pawns!

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GVSK1728 wrote:

Never trade bishop and knight for rook. An active and centralised bishop and knight can be worth upwards of a rook and two pawns!

Thank you. I learnt it the hard way surprise.png

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I'm going to update to what's going on so far:

I got stuck in a position for one month and a half. There were so many posibilities and I had to calculate every single one of them 20 plies deep. It took me so long because I had to evaluate every final 20th position in my head, and I was loosing at the end of every line cry.png But, don't worry, in the end I found a line that took me to the endgame safe and sound. Now I'm in an endgame position in which we are equal. I have a queen and a rook, stockfish has the same. Same number of pawns. My queen is a little bit more active. Same number of pawn islands.

In order to win this position I have studied "Dvoretsky's endgame manual", only chapters 1, 8 and 9, only blue print diagrams. The chapter 9 was specially difficult, but now I got it. I thought I will not be able to win if I don't have any idea about endgame strategy.

Wooow! it's so cool. I'm just a few steps away from the win!!! I could become the first human being that wins stockfish 11 grin.png

Prometheus_Fuschs

I'm almost certain these kind of games have been played before against SF, not sure about SF 11.

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Prometheus_Fuschs wrote:

I'm almost certain these kind of games have been played before against SF, not sure about SF 11.

afaik Nakamura drew against stockfish in the year 2014 (that was stockfish version 5 I think):

https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl?tid=84631

But that was a draw. I'm talking about winning, I will not throw in the towel with just a draw.

And he also received computer assistance, according to wikipedia:

"In the first two games of the match, Nakamura had the assistance of an older version of Rybka, and in the next two games, he received White with pawn odds but no assistance."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockfish_(chess)#Stockfish_versus_Nakamura

I'm not getting computer assistance, just raw neurons trying to figure out how to beat the machine.

Prometheus_Fuschs
Ziryab escribió:
drmrboss wrote:

For a newbie beating Stockfish is like 1 in million chance. Even for top 2700  GM , the chance of beating SF is like 1:100. Simple enough, that is why people dont try. 

 

P.S. in my young age, about 20 years ago, it was possible for me beating older version of chessmaster a couple of times in those old hardwares.

 

Chessmaster's top level on my old RAZR was pretty easy, and I beat CM 2100 once or twice on my desktop. But even Fritz 7 was too much for anyone but top GMs. Stockfish is untouchable unless you're Hikaru Nakamura.

Actually, SF is untouchable even for Hikaru, not even Rybka asisting him or pawn odds allowed him to win against SF.

Asparagusic_acids

I beat stockfish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://www.chess.com/live/game/3422131445

Prometheus_Fuschs

Severely handicapped OFC...

Asparagusic_acids
1400136896 wrote:

bruh.....he resigned randomly 

No I flagged stockfish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Asparagusic_acids

How to beat Stockfish 10

 

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@Asparagusic_acids

According to chess.com analysis on that game you just posted, you played with an accuracy of 99.4% and stockfish with an accuracy of 98.9%. It means your moves were closer to the ones suggested by stockfish than the moves stockfish itself made.

Chess.com updated to stockfish 11, hence the moves in that game are not 100% accurate because you played stockfish 10.

I expected that in order to beat stockfish one must play moves that stockfish doesn't expect, so the winner must have played less accurate moves than stockfish according to stockfish analysis. Such as winning lines with unexpected sacrifices, because the human player found lines that stockfish algorithm is unable to forsee due the way it's programmed. Something like beating a machine through unexpected creativity.

Once my girlfriend beat stockfish (at level 7) through lines of unexpected sacrifices. That was a beautiful match. The posterior analysis using stockfish engine indicated she played less accurate moves than stockfish and she won.

This thoughts bring the question if you used stockfish engine to make your moves (cheating)? Don't worry, if you confess we will not report you and we will take it as a funny joke happy.png

If you didn't cheat, can you explain your strategy and why you won? How were the time controls? how deep you thought your lines of moves to be able to outmaneuver stockfish... and why your moves are so close to the ones suggested by stockfish? Can you comment your key moves and the strategic principles behind them that made stockfish lose?

This also arises the question how to detect cheating by analysing a game a posteriori.

Prometheus_Fuschs
Asparagusic_acids escribió:
1400136896 wrote:

bruh.....he resigned randomly 

No I flagged stockfish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IDK how the hell you played it but flagging a computer is virtually impossible given the near non-existent delay between the trying to make a move and actually making the move.

Asparagusic_acids
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Asparagusic_acids escribió:
1400136896 wrote:

bruh.....he resigned randomly 

No I flagged stockfish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IDK how the hell you played it but flagging a computer is virtually impossible given the near non-existent delay between the trying to make a move and actually making the move.

I used premoves to move faster than stockfish.

Prometheus_Fuschs
Asparagusic_acids escribió:
Prometheus_Fuschs wrote:
Asparagusic_acids escribió:
1400136896 wrote:

bruh.....he resigned randomly 

No I flagged stockfish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IDK how the hell you played it but flagging a computer is virtually impossible given the near non-existent delay between the trying to make a move and actually making the move.

I used premoves to move faster than stockfish.

Makes no difference, computers move so fast making premoves is difficult.

Asparagusic_acids

I stacked premoves, which was possible because stockfish spent too much time in the beginning.

Prometheus_Fuschs
Asparagusic_acids escribió:

I stacked premoves, which was possible because stockfish spent too much time in the beginning.

If you do that you end up messing up tactics, premoves also become useless when the premove becomes an illegal move thus forcing you to make a move. You are certainly trolling.

Asparagusic_acids

https://www.chess.com/live/game/3422131445 Look at this game where I beat stockfish.

Prometheus_Fuschs

Yeah, you are gonna pretend SF took 5 seconds in a move on a 10 sec game? Get real, besides, that's severely handicapped SF (1700 rating is literally half of what fully fledged SF has).

Asparagusic_acids
Prometheus_Fuschs wrote:

Yeah, you are gonna pretend SF took 5 seconds in a move on a 10 sec game? Get real, besides, that's severely handicapped SF (1700 rating is literally half of what fully fledged SF has).

If you click on the user name you will see that it is in fact stockfish.

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