A team of Octopii to predict best chess moves

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MyCowsCanFly
littlehotpot wrote:
jlueke wrote:

1000 monkeys at a 1000 chessboards would eventually beat Carlsen once

 

d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 a3?! stupid monkey!


They said that 1,000,000 Monkeys could, (given enough time), Write the whole works of William Shakespeare. There is a higher chance of my computer exploding when I reach over 1800 ( Never going to happen)


1996 — Robert Wilensky once jocularly remarked, "We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters will eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true."

ivandh

I believe it was ∞ monkeys on ∞ typewriters would produce "Hamlet". To say that a mere million monkeys with only one typewriter each would produce the entire works of the Bard is clearly an overstatement.

MyCowsCanFly
ivandh wrote:

I believe it was ∞ monkeys on ∞ typewriters would produce "Hamlet". To say that a mere million monkeys with only one typewriter each would produce the entire works of the Bard is clearly an overstatement.


According to the all knowing Wikipedia:

The infinite monkey theorem states that a monkey hitting keys at random on a typewriter keyboard for an infinite amount of time will almost surely type a given text, such as the complete works of William Shakespeare.

Your idea that each monkey would be using more than one typewriter is interesting.

2006 — In June 2006, The Colbert Report featured a humorous segment on how many monkeys it would take for various works. This was in response to comments made in the news on monkeys typing out the Bible or the Qur'an. According to Colbert, one million monkeys typing for eternity would produce Shakespeare, ten thousand (drinking) monkeys typing for ten thousand years would produce Hemingway, and ten monkeys typing for three days would produce a work of Dan Brown.

Dietmar
Schachgeek wrote:

While not specifically prohibited in the site TOS, aren't Octopii about as smart as dogs? If you're satisfied playing at the level of your average k-9, why not? The only challenge might be if you're playing touch move.


But octopusses can move eight pieces at the same time!

Dietmar
grantchamp wrote:
orangehonda wrote:

I've wondered about this... it supposedly predicted 7 or 8 world cup finals right?  But that means it's been alive for 32 years... an octopus life span isn't nearly that long though.


 7 straight world cup games. Not finals. duh.


Make that eight. All German games plus the Final. And he had a 70% record at the last Euro. Unfortunately, one of the misses was the final between Spain and Germany.

ilikeflags

octopi is fine but octopuses sounds better. 

Dietmar

Sorry, got one "s" too many but the plural is indeed octopuses :o))

I just learned as well that those guys have three hearts!!! Insane what the World Cup does to you ...

ilikeflags

i'm all thumbs.  sometimes i mean 1 "s" but my fingers think i mean 2. 

Azukikuru
thesexyknight wrote:

The only problem is that almost every world cup has had psychic animals... Hundreds of zoos had animals that predicted the games in some sort of way. The chances were that at SOME point an animal would choose clams out of boxes in the correct order.


When the choice is binary, the correct sequence of eight choices can happen at random once every 2^8=256 times. Indeed, if every zoo in the world had their own psychic animal, it wouldn't be very surprising to see one perform to 100% when viewed after the fact.

Thing is, Paul had already become famous in 2008 and was being closely watched from the beginning of the tournament, when he was already surmised to be psychic. He proceeded to get all of his eight choices right, a 1-in-256 chance. That's more impressive, although not quite impossible - it's like saying, "I'm gonna flip eight tails in a row right now", and succeeding on the first try. Could you do it?

During the 2008 Euro tournament, in which Paul got four out of six "guesses" right (a very probable outcome even if you just toss a coin), Paul was biased in favor of Germany because he was still too young and fanatic (he picked Germany every time). Therefore, we can safely conclude that as he matured another two years for the World Cup, he let go of his nationalism and concentrated on getting a 100% result. In other words, that's one psychic octopus right there.

chrish

Here's my theory:

  • Germany are a great team that win almost all their games (70%+)
  • put the tastiest food in the pot with the German flag
  • assuming an octopus can smell or otherwise identify the best food - it'll choose the German pot

& I understand Paul got 70% or so right - not a mystic octopus sadly.

ivandh
chrish wrote:

Here's my theory:

Germany are a great team that win almost all their games (70%+) put the tastiest food in the pot with the German flag assuming an octopus can smell or otherwise identify the best food - it'll choose the German pot

& I understand Paul got 70% or so right - not a mystic octopus sadly.


Ok, but he picked Spain to win.

ivandh

Not necessarily true, Steinar. An infinite variable can produce a finite result.

MyCowsCanFly
Adamperfection wrote:

Mycowscanfly-Colbert's interview with Dan Brown was hilarious, Colbert asked if he could be the actor for the evil pope in the next Dan Brown novel movie.


 It sounds like something I would enjoy. So far, I haven't been able to find the interview online, e.g. YouTube.

Baldr
ivandh wrote:

Not necessarily true, Steinar. An infinite variable can produce a finite result.


Assuming that by playing an infinite amount of games against Anand, who would never tire, age or die or anything similiar, then eventually, those "random moves" would lead to an incredibly good game with no blunders, good development, a strong attack, etc, and win the game.  Unless you argue that it's completely impossible to beat Anand (which has been proven false), then after enough games played by random-monkey-moves, Anand will lose.

If you then continue the expirement, then eventually, Anand will lose again.  Repeat to infinity - the monkey's will eventually win an infitite number of games.

I do, however, think that they'll have an incredibly low rating long before they reach their first win.  Tongue out

ivandh
Baldr wrote:
ivandh wrote:

Not necessarily true, Steinar. An infinite variable can produce a finite result.


Assuming that by playing an infinite amount of games against Anand, who would never tire, age or die or anything similiar, then eventually, those "random moves" would lead to an incredibly good game with no blunders, good development, a strong attack, etc, and win the game. Unless you argue that it's completely impossible to beat Anand (which has been proven false), then after enough games played by random-monkey-moves, Anand will lose.

If you then continue the expirement, then eventually, Anand will lose again. Repeat to infinity - the monkey's will eventually win an infitite number of games.

I do, however, think that they'll have an incredibly low rating long before they reach their first win.


If n is the length of time that n monkeys are allowed to play and 1/n² for example represents the number of wins in given time n, you will find that the number of monkey wins as lim n→∞ is Σ 1/n² which is a convergent p-series which equals one.

LordJones3rd
grantchamp wrote:
orangehonda wrote:

I've wondered about this... it supposedly predicted 7 or 8 world cup finals right?  But that means it's been alive for 32 years... an octopus life span isn't nearly that long though.


 7 straight world cup games. Not finals. duh.


they are actually called world cup finals games so the confusion is understandable