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GreenLaser

likesforests wrote, "Kramnik misses things." Now Kramnik may feel insulted both for the recognition that he misses things and for no mention of Anand missing things. Anand may be trying to figure out whether or not he was insulted by not being used as an example, if it meant even the best miss things. Of course, it is true. Great, even all time great players, have made great, simple mistakes, including resigning when they can win on the spot. Playing chess with an opponent, rather than just analyzing, is in itself dealing with a critic. The opponent's play is a critique of yours. Accusations of cheating, without any basis, are rude. It happened to me a number of times in person, I think because my play, by winning, was too critical of my opponents. In one case, I won while an exchange down. In another case I crushed a 2200 player in blitz giving him time odds. Another player had given me rooks odds in 5 minute chess successfully when I was learning. He was a famous New York City hustler who beat experts giving rook odds (with his pawn on a3). When I later beat him giving him 5 minutes to 3, he couldn't accept it. His reaction permitted him to stop playing instead of getting "hot" and continuing to lose. The reaction of accusing the winner is both an assault and a defense mechanism.

normajeanyates

Hey Greenlaser, likesforests's remark was clearly not about Kramnik personally - what do you expect - give a thousand page list starting with Firdawsi (c. 1000 AD) - [firdawsi because of probably the earliest actual chess extant - viz. his K+R+R v K+R+R study] and naming all great players of history, ending with -- "they all  probably made mistakes." ?

3 days ago, going over my games here , I found that in my 4th game here my 1400- opponent hung a piece on move 7 or so and I didn't notice it!

Re accusation: part of the solution is - disable chat soon as opp says something upsetting during a game. (You may add a repartee before doing that, according to your taste.) Smile

GreenLaser

normajeanyates wrote, "Hey Greenlaser, likesforests's remark was clearly not about Kramnik personally -" That is true, I believe, although his statement is literally true. I was writing about feelings, not intended meaning. People often infer what was not implied. Kramnik, I believe has feelings, just as players here do. My use of "Kramnik" and "Anand" were just as symbolic as was the use of "Kramnik" by likeforests.

GuyOnTheCouch

Sorry.. I didn’t mean to insult if that’s how you took it. Don’t leave to site or something over my question. And there’s no way am I the new great chess player. My Master uncle can beat me drunk, in another room, watching TV, while playing poker. -.-`

zxzyz

GreenLaser wrote:

Neither player could be accused of cheating based on the moves. The resignation was not warranted at all. White is safely up an exchange.


Yes, but black plays Q-f4 and then R-c3 and then captures pawn at a3. White cannot stop the pawn from queening without losing material. - I ran it through an engine .. not my analysis  ..)

 

Note that if white tries to play d2-a2 after q-f4 - black mates easily. Best seems to be d2-d1 to which Black then plays R-c3. 

Perhaps white saw this and accuses black of cheating? It seems like a very good move by black - very unlike a 1300 player

However, the best move according to engine is not r x b but Nc5! And this is crushing advantage for black -5.91!

 

Can someone please confirm this for me - that r x b is good for black - (not the best though).

likesforests

zxzyz, you raise some good points, but:

a. Crafty, Fritz, and Rybka do not list RxB as one of the top ten moves, so it's unlikely he got this candidate idea / move from a chess engine. It looks very human... we tend to focus on checks, captures, and threats.

b. 32...Qf4 would be a great move, but it was never actually played and seeing it was not necessary to select 31.Rxd2 as a good. For example, my first thought was 31...Rxd2 32.Rxd2 Rc3 33.Ra2 Qc6 (also winning).

likesforests

GreenLaser, the reason Kramnik sprang to mind was the Man vs Machine match. He represented the height of human achievement. He played brilliantly, then he made a mistake. He's incredible, but he's also human like you and me.

GreenLaser> "Kramnik, I believe has feelings, just as players here do."

We make similar points.

zxzyz

likesforests wrote:

zxzyz, you raise some good points, but:

a. Crafty, Fritz, and Rybka do not list RxB as one of the top ten moves, so it's unlikely he got this candidate idea / move from a chess engine. It looks very human... we tend to focus on checks, captures, and threats.

b. 32...Qf4 would be a great move, but it was never actually played and seeing it was not necessary to select 31.Rxd2 as a good. For example, my first thought was 31...Rxd2 32.Rxd2 Rc3 33.Ra2 Qc6 (also winning).


Perhaps Black saw rxd2 as winning  - I dont know - we can only ask him. But it must have been a pscyological blow to white who was a little behind before and now felt this apparant sacrifice could only be made by an engine.

I doubt any of them used engines and am not trying to imply that at all.

Basically White was already lost pscyologically and simply could not accept that black just outplayed white. 

What is interesting though that even though rxd2 is not a top 10 move - it still wins !

GreenLaser

Yes, likeforests, Kramnik is a good example to make your point. I don't think he would be offended. The point is, some are more sensitive.  zxzyz, I saw the position you are mentioning. The mate can be defended against. if I remember without looking, Re2 keeps the queen out and gives White time to reposition the queen. The ending after Rxa3 I saw as a long way off after the resignation. 1300-1600 players don't resign before playing that out.

doric1

HI

I AM PLAYING YOU AT THE MOMENT.

I AM A BIT LIKE YOUSELF I PLAY FOR ENJOYMENT OTHER THIUndecidedNGS COME FIRST

kohai

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