Adding a new defualt time control for rapid

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Caesar49bc wrote:

There is a "slow chess" club. I think their default time control is 90+30.

Can anybody post that club's link?

 

Here are a couple of the longer time control clubs, though I don't know how active either are. There are likely other.

 

https://www.chess.com/club/world-standard-time-control-chess-club-365-days-a-year

https://www.chess.com/club/slow-chess-league

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Time to advertise I guess

This is "fast rapid" seeing your comments: https://www.chess.com/club/not-so-pro-chess-league 

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Martin_Stahl wrote:

Over 4 million games get played here each day. I think the site is offering what most players want . . .

Chess.com does not know it is falling victim to a phenomenon called "The Lowest Common Denominator."

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/question-for-players-who-play-fast-in-longer-time-control-games-why-do-you-do-it?page=2#comment-48462046

"Rome is not in the marbled halls of the Senate. It's in the mob in the streets, in the sands of the Coliseum." The movie Gladiator.

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long_quach wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:

Over 4 million games get played here each day. I think the site is offering what most players want . . .

Chess.com does not know it is falling victim to a phenomenon called "The Lowest Common Denominator."

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/question-for-players-who-play-fast-in-longer-time-control-games-why-do-you-do-it?page=2#comment-48462046

"Rome is not in the marbled halls of the Senate. It's in the mob in the streets, in the sands of the Coliseum." The movie Gladiator.

 

I think the site knows exactly what it is doing. It is making a chess site that will attract the largest number of players and offering enough features that enough of those members find something worthwhile enough to purchase a premium membership.

 

The more players with premium, the more they are able to provide.

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Martin_Stahl wrote:

I think the site knows exactly what it is doing . . . 

If it knows what it is doing, why are the complaints keep coming?

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/tournaments/not-enough-classical-time-controls#comment-48444850

 

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long_quach wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:

I think the site knows exactly what it is doing . . . 

If it knows what it is doing, why are the complaints keep coming?

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/tournaments/not-enough-classical-time-controls#comment-48444850

 

 

The vast majority of members do not share those complaints.

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Martin_Stahl wrote:

The vast majority of members do not share those complaints.

Why not have a default time control that is regulation? How about that?

Another art.

At a local ballet school, the ballet students (kids under 18), perform 4 times a year. But on those performances, they perform twice a day, 2 days consecutively. That is used to show the students what it's like to be a real professional ballet dancer. The students call the week of the performance "Hell Week."

Why not a time control that is actual regulation?

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long_quach wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:

The vast majority of members do not share those complaints.

Why not have a default time control that is regulation? How about that?

Another art.

At a local ballet school, the ballet students (kids under 18), perform 4 times a year. But on those performances, they perform twice a day, 2 days consecutively. That is used to show the students what it's like to be a real professional ballet dancer. The students call the week of the performance "Hell Week."

Why not a time control that is actual regulation?

 

The site has a lot of data from the 13 years of operation and 10+ years of Live play. They have tried different defaults and they know what the most common time controls that are played and have modified the defaults a number of different times.

 

Will they every add longer, more classical time control? Maybe, but I personally don't see it happening because the demand just is not there and the ability to create any time control you want and join clubs of like minded individuals to find game already exists.

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Martin_Stahl wrote:

Will they every add longer, more classical time control? Maybe, but I personally don't see it happening because the demand just is not there and the ability to create any time control you want and join clubs of like minded individuals to find game already exists.

Customized control do not work. It does not collect players.

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/suggestions/40-minutes#comment-33254220

Here's something to ponder.

Time control is a rule of the game.

Just as how the pieces moves are the rules of the game. A time control is part of the regulation of a regulation game.

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The solutions you have are continue posting the same thing in the forums (which may get seen by staff but may not), open a suggestion ticket or us the Help > Make a Suggestion feature.

 

Repeating yourself in the forum isn't going to get any traction. Again, I don't think the site will add longer time controls than the 60 minute and the 45|45 that already exist in Live.

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Martin_Stahl wrote:

Help > Make a Suggestion

Thanks. I just did.

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I just looked up baseball innings. I thought they are all 9's. I was wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inning

Professional baseball is 9 innings.

High School is 7.

Little League is 6.

If regulation chess is 90 m + 60 m (something like that), and the majority here plays 5/0 (something like that), that's not even Little League chess.

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long_quach wrote:

I just looked up baseball innings. I thought they are all 9's. I was wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inning

Professional baseball is 9 innings.

High School is 7.

Little League is 6.

If regulation chess is 90 m + 60 m (something like that), and the majority here plays 5/0 (something like that), that's not even Little League chess.

 

Bad analogy. You don't see pro-baseball players playing little league but almost all the top players play blitz and rapid and even have world championships in those time controls. Yes, they also play longer time control games as well but the site will have the time controls that most people want to play as the defaults and there are only so many spaces, from a usability standpoint. Ergo, the faster time controls will win out in the preset categories.

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Martin_Stahl wrote:

Bad analogy. You don't see pro-baseball players playing little league . . .

They all do, when they were little.

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Baseball is not a bad analogy for chess.

Chess is a bad analogy for baseball.

Pro-chess players are playing "Little League" rules.

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long_quach wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:

Bad analogy. You don't see pro-baseball players playing little league . . .

They all do, when they were little.

 

You know what I mean. They play in blitz and rapid as professional players.

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Martin_Stahl wrote:
long_quach wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:

Bad analogy. You don't see pro-baseball players playing little league . . .

They all do, when they were little.

 

You know what I mean. They play in blitz and rapid as professional players.

I do know what you mean.

Another analogy.

Boxing.

Boxing used to be 15 rounds (watch Rocky I).

Now it's 12 rounds. (watch Creed).

Amateur boxing rule: 3 rounds.

You don't see pro-boxers going around fighting 3 rounds.

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long_quach wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:
long_quach wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:

Bad analogy. You don't see pro-baseball players playing little league . . .

They all do, when they were little.

 

You know what I mean. They play in blitz and rapid as professional players.

I do know what you mean.

Another analogy.

Boxing.

Boxing used to be 15 rounds (watch Rocky I).

Now it's 12 rounds. (watch Creed).

Amateur boxing rule: 3 rounds.

You don't see pro-boxers going around fighting 3 rounds.

 

You also don"t see 13 year old boxers at the top levels of boxing either. Chess is a different thing altogether than most other sport like activities. Age means very little and the professionals and amateur both play fast time controls a lot.

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I would like some other kind of time control though that works like you having a certain amount of time for each move (5 seconds, 10 seconds, 1 minute) and if you don't move in that time you lost.

It is not like additional time because your clock restarts every time it is your turn (so you never get more than 10 seconds for example to move).

anyone else would like this too? :)
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Let's put on our thinking cap.

Let's say a professional regulation game is 2 hours (or 90 minutes) (40 moves) + 60 minutes.

And the World Blitz Championship is 3 minutes per game + 2 seconds increment per move. That's roughly 5 minutes.

If you are playing against an equally ranked player, your chance of winning is 50%.

Now you are playing simultaneously 150/5 = 30 players. All regulation time (on-line) so you don't have to walk around. But in essence you are playing blitz time vs regulation time. What is your chance of winning? The quality of your games degrade by the numbers of the players in the simul, i.e. by the time control of the game.

Making the games less professional.