Adhd: how to play with it

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Oecleus wrote:

You should get it diagnosed. It sounds more like depression and lack of motivation then AD/HD. I don't really believe any people who say they have "undiagnosed adhd".

Also getting tired after eating is common for EVERYONE, it just lowers your energy levels for awhile while you're digesting the food. If you find this energy drop paralizing, then it may be depression.

I know very little about ad/hd, but just off a guess I can say that it has nothing to do with adrenaline, so you should probably drop that word from your vocabulary or look up what it actually is. It has to do with fight or flight and nervousness.

Don't eat any carbs, and you won't have that problem...

azanlabs

Bro it was like you were talking directly to me, I have these exact same issues and I wondering if learning chess made your ADHD better over time? 
Not sure if you'll respond this was many years ago.

Mr_Universe_313

Bro this is exactly how I feel n what happens to me!

StrategicFocus

"Undiagnosed", so most probably you do not have it.

BigChessplayer665
emmett4077 wrote:

In case anyone wonders, I have a previously undiagnosed adult adhd disorder. While I used to be great at chess, once I went to college I noticed that I gradually lost the ability to play well, and I simply started losing games all the time and couldn't "think". It was like there was a fog inside my brain. Everything was cloudy.

Based off another post, a chess.com member sent me a message and asked me to expand on my experiences with adhd, for he felt that he might also be undiagnosed and hence is why he (or she) loses so many games.

I felt that my response might also help someone else, so I have included my response to the message in this thread. If anyone has anything to add or any questions, and if you want to recount your own experiences, please do so! 

Without further adieu:

"My apologies for my delayed response to your message.

Adhd is a spectrum disorder; in other words, what symptoms one person may exhibit are completely absent in another. However, there is also much in common.

When playing chess, I do not get distracted from the game like many others with adhd. Rather, I simply lose the ability to calculate 1-2 moves ahead. I just stare at the board, eyes glazed over, waiting for my opponent to move. It is almost like playing chess while you are extremely tired. This inability to "focus" is a type of adhd that does not manifest itself with the classic "ooh, look, a butterfly!" type of focus problem, but it is adhd nonetheless, and this type is more commonly associated with adults. Adhd also manifests itself in my life by causing me to abandon many projects prematurely, thus I have many things that I have started but few that I have finished. Also, starting anything can feel like I'm taking on the world, as it takes so much effort. I can be innattentive at times. I get bored with video games relatively quickly compared to how long I used to play them, but putting in a new game can take a lot of "mental" effort. Many times I will simply stand in place for a few minutes mulling over ideas on what to do and dismissing them as requiring too much effort almost as soon as I think of them.

The easiest way to explain my innattentiveness in chess is to think of the classic adhd. You play a move, you begin to calculate a tactical sequence, and then you see a butterfly which breaks your concentration. You then have difficulty refocusing on the game. The only difference with me is that there is no butterfly and hence nothing to focus on. I simply lose the focus to "nothing", giving the feeling of glazing over. It is a problem with adreneline in my brain.

Many times I can play 1 really great game, but by the 2nd game I have lost my ability to focus. So if you find yourself playing well only to consistently go on losing streaks with dumb blunders, and the amount of games you win before the losing streaks remains fairly constant, then you might be in the same boat as me. Or perhaps you can't even focus for one game. That is another possibility.

What I have noticed that helps:

Play until you feel yourself slipping away mentally. Then, make that your last game, otherwise you will only get frustrated on the next game. Over time you will learn to tell when you are having adrenaline issues. It is a very specific feeling.

If you lose because of some dumb mistakes, you should probably quit for awhile, if not for the rest of the day. You are not losing because you suck at chess, but rather because of adrenaline problems. Take a break.

Don't play chess after you eat. Eating can cause the adrenaline problems to worsen. You probably already notice that you get a bit tired after eating.

Get a good amount of sleep. I play better in the morning than at night when I am tired. But you may be different.

Talk to a doctor about medication, and also ask him or her about possibly seeing a behavior therapist. Both of these can help tremendously, although some of the medications can be extremely addictive. Personally, I have just started strattera, which is not addictive, and my chess playing has improved. Although it is not anywhere near where it was before college when my adhd got so much worse. However, strattera takes forever to work at peak proficiency and I am on a low dosage, so only time will tell.

I hope this helps. While I won't list your name, I am going to create a new thread in the hopes that this will help someone else."

Maybe take ten-20 sec after a game to let the adrenaline sink in and listen to music or something ? You could analyze the game quickly while doing it and you should start looking at certain things

psyberduck
idkhow-to-mate wrote:

ADHD doesn't exist. It's an excuse rich mothers came up with to somehow account for their children's poor school performance.

I know you're just trolling here, but for what it's worth, some of us with ADHD actually did quite well in school, but struggled in other areas. I'd encourage you to check out http://additudemag.com to learn a little more about it.

psyberduck
self_taught_gm wrote:

"Undiagnosed", so most probably you do not have it.

It's actually fairly common for folks with only the Inattention symptoms to go undiagnosed for years, because the hyperactivity is much easier to see and call out. Which is also why it gets under diagnosed in women especially, as they are less likely to have that component.

psyberduck
idkhow-to-mate wrote:
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idkhow-to-mate wrote:

ADHD doesn't exist. It's an excuse rich mothers came up with to somehow account for their children's poor school performance.

I know you're just trolling here, but for what it's worth, some of us with ADHD actually did quite well in school, but struggled in other areas. I'd encourage you to check out http://additudemag.com to learn a little more about it.

I'm not JUST trolling ; I'm actually the opposite (diagnosed with depression), but after many years of unsuccessful treatment I arrived at a conclusion depression is a fiction as well. ;

It was probably invented by the pharma industry.

Well, pharma isn't often the best course of treatment, though it can help sometimes. It can help if there are chemical imbalances contributing to the depression, for example, but usually there's something more mental/emotional that's feeding it. And if that doesn't get addressed, the pills only mask it, they don't fix it. Have you done any counseling?

DoYouLikeCurry

I have adhd. Medicated, controlled, among likely over issues. Yeah, it affects chess. But you can do well anyway. A lot of top players have it too.

DreamscapeHorizons

A cure has been found.

psyberduck
idkhow-to-mate wrote:

It's a long story...

If you ever want to talk, message me. I've been through it too.

BigChessplayer665
idkhow-to-mate wrote:
psyberduck napisał:
idkhow-to-mate wrote:

ADHD doesn't exist. It's an excuse rich mothers came up with to somehow account for their children's poor school performance.

I know you're just trolling here, but for what it's worth, some of us with ADHD actually did quite well in school, but struggled in other areas. I'd encourage you to check out http://additudemag.com to learn a little more about it.

I'm not JUST trolling ; I'm actually the opposite (diagnosed with depression), but after many years of unsuccessful treatment I arrived at a conclusion depression is a fiction as well. ;

It was probably invented by the pharma industry.

The difference is adhd is a thought process just like there are differences with eye colors and skin tone there are differences with how we think pretending it's not real doesn't make it go away

ArieDeBok
Oecleus wrote:

You should get it diagnosed. It sounds more like depression and lack of motivation then AD/HD. I don't really believe any people who say they have "undiagnosed adhd".

Also getting tired after eating is common for EVERYONE, it just lowers your energy levels for awhile while you're digesting the food. If you find this energy drop paralizing, then it may be depression.

I know very little about ad/hd, but just off a guess I can say that it has nothing to do with adrenaline, so you should probably drop that word from your vocabulary or look up what it actually is. It has to do with fight or flight and nervousness.

I have ADHD and I suffered from depression once or twice in the past. The difference between the two (in my experience) is this.

With ADHD I want to do things like work, chess, social events etc. but I find that there is a disconnect between what I want and what I do.

With depression I didn't want anything. I didn't want to get out of bed, I was disinterested in people, I unwillingly dragged myself to the office without wanting to do my work. That is not ADHD.

Sabitho12

I have found out that adhd is kinda popular topic right now. A lot of my homework https://www.nursingpaper.com/nursing-homework/ considers this as well. And a lot of my friends also struggle

91503sc

chess anyone

DreamscapeHorizons

Focus.

mikewier

As a retired psychologist who did a lot of work with clients with ADHD, let me say a few things.

Treatments/recommendations will vary depending on: subtype of ADHD, severity, age, response to medication, etc.

the advice given on this site should be taken with a grain of salt, since good advice for one person may not work for another.

My first recommendation is to get an evaluation by a professional. This may include an evaluation by a physician to see if medication may be appropriate. The professional can then give personalized advice which will consider the coping attempts that the client has already tried and found helpful.

For those looking for tips relating to chess, you might read the recommendations given to high school and college students, who also are working with abstract material, often in a timed setting.

coreybalzallinyoface

cool

steveclark22

I totally relate to the ADHD struggle while trying to focus during longer games. Sometimes, taking short breaks or playing quicker formats helps reset my attention. I also mix things up with other games that offer fast-paced engagement to keep my brain stimulated—recently stumbled upon https://aviatorgame.in/, which is super fast and all about timing and quick decisions. It’s not chess, obviously, but switching it up every now and then keeps things fresh and helps me refocus when I come back to the board.